I assumed that was the case, but it's a rather accurate statement. Last I checked, that's exactly what the ear does. Try listening in a vacuum & see how far you get. 😉 QED.
You appear to have torpedoed your own argument by acknowledging this fact... 😉
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Alright... the question is "do the ears translate soundpressures just as a microphone + analyser would?" which is a rethorical question, of course. 😉
Not exactly, because I can't really conceive senses and brain (just as body and mind/spirit) separately. 😉
I rest my case; you are refering to biological differences in individual hearing and mental interpretive mechanisms, not variations in the data itself. The object of measuring the output is to discover if there are any basic changes in the data. Period.
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As an older, wiser fellow once said to me, "You're making a logical error; you're assuming logic."
In other words, refinement, dynamics, sonic colors, etc. are all in my mind??? 😀 😀 😀
Refinement is kind of hard to quantify since it's very subjective however dynamics and sonic colours should be quantifiable through scientific data.
Everything is quantifiable and measurable, in the minds of some people. Like the guy above, I stand by my case that it's a matter of individual mental disposition.
I think that aesthetic perceptions (in sound, specifically) are much more shareable than they are (and will ever be) measurable, and subject to being objectified other than by agreement of perception.
That is absolutely and astonishingly correct. On several levels. Probably the best thing you ever posted.
If you can tell me how you would measure and interpret the data to quantify something like stage focus then we have something to discuss.
Well now, that depends on how you are interpreting the statement. Dynamics refers merely to the the dynamic BW of the system; a fairly basic thing to measure / assess, so no, although what a person may find acceptable or otherwise is down to the individual, so in that sense yes, it's in your own mind.
Refinement is dependent on personal interpretation (very much in the individual's mind), but once you establish your criteria, again, not rocket-science to make some general assessments based on measurements about how well a system might match this.
'Sonic colour' is (no offense) a meaningless description until you actually state what you mean by it, so until then, it's very much in your own mind I'm afraid.
The object of measuring a system with different wire in place is simply to see if there are any changes in the emitted data itself. Or do you consider such things as actual changes in the information (say, the HF rolled off by 3dB at 20KHz, as is the case in some wires) to be a mere detail?
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Yesss...
I maybe should've clarified that I was talking of actually perceived "dynamics", and not the theoretical dynamic range of something, which for me means nothing - as more often than not experience contradicts the data, sometimes wildly. 🙂
Specifically... perceived dynamics with different opamps or different cables. I don't claim that this would be impossible to assess... but we just can't figure how 🙂
Yeah, refinement is a bit of an elusive term... Let's say it's something like "there's everything yet nothing's being shouted at you" 🙂
Opamps and cables (for instance) again have different levels of refinement... I doubt it's practically measurable (as above).
Colors in sound: red, green, yellow, blue, violet, brown, white...those things 🙂 Measurable? Predictable? Nah! I would bet you (in case you don't hear them, and I'm sure that most don't, at least not in such a definite and lucid way) would even swear that sound has nothing to do with (vision-like) colors. 🙂
I don't think there's anything evil in doing that... but it's so very inoffensive and childish 🙂
After all, what audio cable would produce a significant deviation from 0 dB over the audio range? Well maybe long speaker cables, in the presence of the inductive load represented by a speaker... but only fractions of dB, as I've seen (in a magazine's test).
This obviously can't account for all the various and apparent differences in sound character they have for the open minded (thus open eared) listener; if not just marginally - especially as a .5 dB difference at one of the two frequency extremes is so hard to actually hear. 🙂
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