Burning Amp BA-3b (Balanced)

Assuming you mean 6 pairs, like in schematic in post #505.

Yeah that is close enough if we are talking approximations.

i mean 6 devices (3pairs) on each half balanced.
so 3pairs for positive and 3pairs for negative side.

2 x 600VA Transformers with 24VAC secondaries is borderline acceptable.

800VA would be better.
But if you already have them you may as well give it a try. You may or may not get some mechanical transformer buzzing. If the transformers are noisy then you may need to reduce the bias or buy bigger transformers.

If you do decide buying new transformers is necessary, then 18V to 20V AC secondaries is more than adequate to give you 100W in a balanced circuit.

i will consider that.

We will need to modify the biasing circuit for the negative rail or consider using different source resistor for CCS (around 0.75Ohms)

Or leave biasing circuit unmodified and run 8 or 9 pairs instead of 6 pairs

i don't understand what you mean modifying negative rails bias circuit?
why only negative side?

thanks.
 
i mean 6 devices (3pairs) on each half balanced.
so 3pairs for positive and 3pairs for negative side.


i don't understand what you mean modifying negative rails bias circuit?
why only negative side?

thanks.

1) So half the number of devices of the schematic you posted?

2) Biasing of the CCS is fixed at around 0.6V across the source resistor of the CCS mosfet.
Biasing of the mosfet from the positive rail is already adjustable through P101.

No problem though we can make it adjustable by addition of suitable value for R131 in your schematic
 
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1) So half the number of devices of the schematic you posted?

2) Biasing of the CCS is fixed at around 0.6V across the source resistor of the CCS mosfet.
Biasing of the mosfet from the positive rail is already adjustable through P101.

No problem though we can make it adjustable by addition of suitable value for R131 in your schematic

yes half the number,
please see new attachment.
 

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Just as a general comment, with your existing transformer secondary voltages it would make sense purely from technical/textbook point of view to use push pull output stage.

However that doesn't mean you should do that.
If you're heart is set on single ended then you should proceed as planned.
 
Just as a general comment, with your existing transformer secondary voltages it would make sense purely from technical/textbook point of view to use push pull output stage.

However that doesn't mean you should do that.
If you're heart is set on single ended then you should proceed as planned.

What sort of power supply do you have planned?

so that's mean 24Vac (32Vdc) is too high for single ended followers?

i plan to use separated psu between the front end and the output stages.
front end will use regulated psu, output stages will use CLC's.

at least that's what i think for this moment.
 
so that's mean 24Vac (32Vdc) is too high for single ended followers?

No not too high.
But you are generating extra heat heat, since you only need around 23V dc rails for 100W.

600VA transformers is not going to be adequate.
5A on each half (10A total per channel) with 32V dc rails will be a total of 640W of heat per channel. You will need 2 x monster cases. You will need something like 2 x 1.5kVA transformers for dual mono.

Must have had a brain fart before thinking 600VA might be ok.
 
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No not too high.
But you are generating extra heat heat, since you only need around 23V dc rails for 100W.

600VA transformers is not going to be adequate.
5A on each half (10A total per channel) with 32V dc rails will be a total of 640W of heat per channel. You will need 2 x monster cases. You will need something like 2 x 1.5kVA transformers for dual mono.

Must have had a brain fart before thinking 600VA might be ok.

I would suggest limiting the heat to around 280W per channel and work backwards

i see... it is about the heat dissipation.

so i think it would be wise to replace the transformers with smaller secondary voltages, rather than insist to use what i have now which can cause money dissipation at the end. :D

thanks for the advice. :cheers:
 
so i think it would be wise to replace the transformers with smaller secondary voltages, rather than insist to use what i have now which can cause money dissipation at the end. :D

thanks for the advice. :cheers:

If you wanted to use what you have the most logical course of action would be the following.
32V rails
Balanced Push Pull Output stage
Each half circuit biased at 2.1A

Result:
70W of Class A
Then klunk into Class AB to approximately 220W
 
If you wanted to use what you have the most logical course of action would be the following.
32V rails
Balanced Push Pull Output stage
Each half circuit biased at 2.1A

Result:
70W of Class A
Then klunk into Class AB to approximately 220W

no, i stick with the single ended.:D

Staying with the single ended approach:
Use your existing transformers with regulators to power the BA3 front end of the circuit.

Then for the output stage you will need 2 x 1kVA transformers with 18V AC secondaries
2 Cases capable of dissipating 460W each

600va for the front end is real redundant.
1A transformer is more than enough for FE, so i will use the little one i have.

can you explain how you calculate which ended with the need of 2 x 1kVA transformers?

thanks.
 
A 1kVA 20-0-20Vac transformer has a maximum continuous AC current of 25Aac
If you pass that into a capacitor input filter, then the maximum continuous DC output current is approximately 13Adc.
The transformer will run hot all the time.

If you reduce your loading to ~50% the transformer will have a long cooler life.
Try ~ 6Adc to 7Adc as a continuous rating for the bias current.

7A total bias in a balanced single ended amplifier driving an 8ohms load will give a maximum output power of 49W
Quiescent dissipation will be ~390W.

Balanced and single ended is killing your project.
 
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no, i stick with the single ended.:D



600va for the front end is real redundant.
1A transformer is more than enough for FE, so i will use the little one i have.

can you explain how you calculate which ended with the need of 2 x 1kVA transformers?

thanks.

1) If you have smaller transformers then definitely use those on the front end.

2) Basically double the heat dissipated value then round up to the next VA rated transformer. In your case 460W of heat per channel. 460 x 2 = 920, that rounds up to 1000VA (1kVA)