It changes, but 50-550 ohm range difference is negligible in my opinion. Volume control is for convenience, and I usually use 5 position in the last 3/4 of a range. So i can say that my output impedance is fixed and around 200 ohms. I'd say it's not too bad.😉
As to 5k to output, maybe it's worth a try.
As to 5k to output, maybe it's worth a try.
I tried to do it yesterday and couldn't figure out either. Last time I did it was 1996. BTW, the chart comes from David Broudhurst and is recommended for his DAC. I thought it was 20logR1/R1+R2 but somehow the numbers don't come up.😉
Peter Daniel said:I tried to do it yesterday and couldn't figure out either. Last time I did it was 1996. BTW, the chart comes from David Broudhurst and is recommended for his DAC. I thought it was 20logR1/R1+R2 but somehow the numbers don't come up.😉
That won't work if R1 is the series resistor and R2 is the shunt resistor. If it is, then it's 20 x log R2/(R1 + R2).
se
That exactly what I have been doing, still can't duplicate the attenuation values in the Broudhurst chart.
Yet to try it but perhaps this will help:
http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~nroberts/shunt.html
Yet to try it but perhaps this will help:
http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~nroberts/shunt.html
That is interesting, because I built Broadhurst attenuator and it works fine. Didn't bother to check the values before I built it though.😉
blschuler said:That exactly what I have been doing, still can't duplicate the attenuation values in the Broudhurst chart.
It works for me.
You're aware by the way that the calculator keeps the series resistor value constant, right? In other words, R<sub>x</sub> stays the same and only R<sub>y</sub> changes for each step.
So let's run through a simple one.
Set the series resistance to 1,000 ohms.
Set the number of steps to 1.
Set the first step attenuation to 20dB.
The calculator returns 1,000 ohms for R<sub>x</sub> (natch) and 111 ohms for R<sub>y</sub>
Now let's check it against the calculation 20 x log R<sub>y</sub>/(R<sub>x</sub> + R<sub>y</sub>).
R<sub>x</sub> + R<sub>y</sub> = 1,000 + 111 = 1,111.
R<sub>y</sub> / 1,111 = 111 / 1,111 = 0.0999
Log 0.0999 = -1
20 x -1 = -20.
So, we get -20dB.
It checks.
se
Oops. Just realized that the calculator you gave the URL for wasn't the Broudhurst chart you mentioned.
Where can I find this Broudhurst chart?
se
Where can I find this Broudhurst chart?
se
Steve Eddy said:
Where can I find this Broudhurst chart?
se
At the beginning of the previous page. The series resistor is 50 ohm.
Peter Daniel said:
At the beginning of the previous page. The series resistor is 50 ohm.
Thanks.
Nope, they don't add up. Of course the basic calculation assumes a zero impedance source and an infinite impedance load. These numbers may have been calculated for specific source/load impedances.
se
Where can one find a suitable 2-point volume pot as mentioned by Daniel at the beginning of this thread, to be located between positive and negative of the two channels of BoSoZ?
...at reasonable price. No freak gear needed in my first DIY project...
...at reasonable price. No freak gear needed in my first DIY project...
I would say A. Putting the attenuator as late as possible lets it also attenuate as much noise as possible.
I built a test board with 6 relays using the ADC0804 like in the pass preamp. Should I use a linear or log pot? I tried a linear pot 100K because there is a 10K resistor across middle pin (moving pin) and earth. This makes it act logarythmic. Also the relays switch in this fashion for linear movement. But I think in the begining the volume doesn´t go up so fast as at the end. I have to say I used it at the output of the BLS with full volume. So it could be that the volume pot interacts with the relay volume control. Just wanted to know if you guys used linear or log pot.
I use a ADC0804 volume controll with my BOZ. For me the range is not enough, and this volume control makes a lot of noise, clicks and pops when volume is tuned. Also its not absoltely stable, sometimes relays change without me moving the pot knob. I use a 100k lin pot.
The better way with more range and less noise, absolutely stable, is this very simple microcontroller relays volume controll i made for my BZLS :
http://home.arcor.de/dddddd-/relais/relais.html
Its easy to use for SE only, mount only half the number of relays. It needs less parts than the ADC0804 version. Its very cheap.
The better way with more range and less noise, absolutely stable, is this very simple microcontroller relays volume controll i made for my BZLS :
http://home.arcor.de/dddddd-/relais/relais.html
Its easy to use for SE only, mount only half the number of relays. It needs less parts than the ADC0804 version. Its very cheap.
I did see the same problems with instability. The problem with uP is that you have to programm them. I don´t really know how to do that. When I will need a few more for friends or to repair it that would be a problem.
The problem with uP is that you have to programm them
no problem, contact me.
mefinnis said:Resurrecting an old thread, which was brought to my attention by a friend.
Clearly there are a number of options as to exactly where a single pot/switch may be placed.
Which of the following (A/B/C) do we think would be the best option?
Thanks,
mark
Don't forget changing the value of R15, except it works in the opposite direction. Higher resistance is lower gain.
Petter
what do you use to programm the pics?
assembler, the code lays on the page i linked above.
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