Cheers ,
I understand the matching of the caps is very important in the balanced version ....
can you explain ?
Rich
I understand the matching of the caps is very important in the balanced version ....
can you explain ?
Rich
Cheers ,
I understand the matching of the caps is very important in the balanced version ....
can you explain ?
Rich
Which caps?
I just started reading the thread you suggested - from the beginning 🙂 my guess is it would be the out caps .... No ?
Hi,
I believe you will find enough information on the previously mentioned thread. Because Mr. Pass' design is a very good one, following the recommended tolerances of the parts list will give excellent results. Personally, a friend let me use his capacitance meter (I was spoiled). I used it to try to closely match left and right side parts. However, because I did not buy an overstock there were still differences between them and honestly, I cannot hear a difference. I built 3 of them, 1 balanced and 2 unbalanced (soon to be converted to balanced).
Eric
P.S. I did not bother to match the input capacitors
I believe you will find enough information on the previously mentioned thread. Because Mr. Pass' design is a very good one, following the recommended tolerances of the parts list will give excellent results. Personally, a friend let me use his capacitance meter (I was spoiled). I used it to try to closely match left and right side parts. However, because I did not buy an overstock there were still differences between them and honestly, I cannot hear a difference. I built 3 of them, 1 balanced and 2 unbalanced (soon to be converted to balanced).
Eric
P.S. I did not bother to match the input capacitors
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Matching of the impedances of the balanced connection improves the Common Mode Rejection Ratio (CMRR). This is what attenuates the unwanted interference.
The closer you get the matching the better the CMRR.
Aim for <0.1% on resistor values at both send and receive ends.
Aim for <1% and preferably <0.5% on capacitor values at both the send and receive ends.
This should have no effect on the sound quality of the wanted signal. You should hear no change.
This should have an effect on the interference which will be reduced if it is present. You may not hear this improvement unless you have a system that benefits from the improved CMRR of the balanced connection.
The closer you get the matching the better the CMRR.
Aim for <0.1% on resistor values at both send and receive ends.
Aim for <1% and preferably <0.5% on capacitor values at both the send and receive ends.
This should have no effect on the sound quality of the wanted signal. You should hear no change.
This should have an effect on the interference which will be reduced if it is present. You may not hear this improvement unless you have a system that benefits from the improved CMRR of the balanced connection.
Thanks Arick & Andrew ,
I will use the Takman resistors for this and Pearl build. Iknow these are a bit flash ,but getting the Dales will cost more with all the Tory Tax . I'll measure the caps , just need a battery in my meter .
Whats the difference between Carbon and Metal film . I can get 0.125 w ,but they are carbon
Rich
I will use the Takman resistors for this and Pearl build. Iknow these are a bit flash ,but getting the Dales will cost more with all the Tory Tax . I'll measure the caps , just need a battery in my meter .
Whats the difference between Carbon and Metal film . I can get 0.125 w ,but they are carbon
Rich
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Thanks Arick & Andrew ,
I will use the Takman resistors for this and Pearl build. Iknow these are a bit flash ,but getting the Dales will cost more with all the Tory Tax . I'll measure the caps , just need a battery in my meter .
Whats the difference between Carbon and Metal film . I can get 0.125 w ,but they are carbon
Rich
Hi Rich,
Especially on a preamp circuit, you will want the more stable, quieter metal film types. You can go to 1/4 W (better from a noise perspective) metal films if you can't easily source 1/8W.
FYI some info on resistor composition:
Resistor Types--Does It Matter?
Regards
Shanx
Thank Shanx ,
Soniccraft have PRP Metal film in 1/8 watt ,but I have never seen them mention here before .... any opinions on them ? . They also come at 1% tolerance.
Rich
Soniccraft have PRP Metal film in 1/8 watt ,but I have never seen them mention here before .... any opinions on them ? . They also come at 1% tolerance.
Rich
PRP resistors are really nice. There was a group buy for sets fo resistors for the DC-B1 and a lot of people used them.
I haven't noticed any complaints about them and they're at a reasonable price, usually. Just go for them.
PS. Also - they're red. And round and shiny. Can't beat that 🙂
I haven't noticed any complaints about them and they're at a reasonable price, usually. Just go for them.
PS. Also - they're red. And round and shiny. Can't beat that 🙂
I have not used them, so can't say either way. But stablility specs look decent, at 50 ppm /degC. One thing though is they are spec'd at 1% tolerance..so you will be doing a lot of matching by hand. As AndrewT said you should try to match to 0.1% tolerances. you should be able to get that in a precision metal film. Suggest to have a look at PTF-56 and PTF-65 series or RN55E type from same manufacture (Dale/Vishay).
Regards Shane
Regards Shane
Have you consdered Welwyn RC55Y's from Farnell; 0.1% 1/4 watters. Don't know how they compare to prp's soundwise but I've used with good results for years.
Hi Marra ,
because I don't order enough the always work out more expensive from there for me .
I use Digikey, Conrads and RS..
they all suck today though .... no 1 uF caps anywhere . Can anyone suggest a suitable replacement ?
Rich
because I don't order enough the always work out more expensive from there for me .
I use Digikey, Conrads and RS..
they all suck today though .... no 1 uF caps anywhere . Can anyone suggest a suitable replacement ?
Rich
I know its Farnell again but they have Panasonic film caps in stock also the RC55Y are available in singles as against having to buy packs of 5 from RS plus they also stock the excellent Panasonic THSA and FC electrolytics.
PANASONIC|ECWF2105JA|CAPACITOR, 250V, 1UF, 5% | Farnell United Kingdom
PANASONIC|ECQV1J105JM|CAPACITOR, 1UF, 63V, 5% | Farnell United Kingdom
Or these guys
http://www.banzaimusic.com/M-Cap-Series/
PANASONIC|ECWF2105JA|CAPACITOR, 250V, 1UF, 5% | Farnell United Kingdom
PANASONIC|ECQV1J105JM|CAPACITOR, 1UF, 63V, 5% | Farnell United Kingdom
Or these guys
http://www.banzaimusic.com/M-Cap-Series/
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I may as well use the mundorf .... Just to confirm , I need 1uF not 0.1 uF
Great site . BTW
thanks Marra
Great site . BTW
thanks Marra
Yes, it's 1uf and 10uf. Use a film type, as these are coupling caps. The Mundorfs would be fantastic.
vishay or truohm from Rapid are just as good in my amateur opinion.
Buy by the 100 and they come really cheap.
I bought into a MyRef group buy. It included PRP and Obligatto. What a waste of my money.
Buy by the 100 and they come really cheap.
I bought into a MyRef group buy. It included PRP and Obligatto. What a waste of my money.
It worked out cheaper for me to buy PRP from the us than to order from the UK . To start with the PRP were 38 cents each and with shipping I saved 20 quid on the UK total ... this is "RIP OFF BRITAIN" after all !
If Arik is around . I had a look at the other thread . I saw a beautiful enclosure , some very clever wiring ,but no schematic !
Rich.
If Arik is around . I had a look at the other thread . I saw a beautiful enclosure , some very clever wiring ,but no schematic !
Rich.
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