I had deleted my comment as it was a bit rude from me: sorry if you had to read it!
I have never developed any loving passion for gears. its a never ending story and quite frustrating. no matter how good my system gets, I cant wait for the next upgrade and I'm never 100% satisfied. u know the feeling I guess 🙂 I love how my system sounds though
Id say audition as many speakers as you can in your own home with your music and room ect. this is very important. theres a big difference between loving the sound of a speaker after 20 minutes of a audition but then having to live with the speaker for a long time.
without stating the obvious but music should be your passion, not hifi.
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How in the world do you exclude the chassis from the equation???? On Pass's design chassis is finalized to the implementation of the high power Class A amps!
Even number of screws used factor into final price!!! I have the feeling you are not in product development field which explains the type of comment.
Pass has to buy a zillion of output device to provide you with matched set forward and every production unit Dan's buys upfront ON to get tighter match.
Obviously costs goes down as number goes up!! If you think the audio market is in high volume you are disillusioned' sales and amount of parts per year required are very low!!! Yes, he/they get better price than single build, however in the end they have to make a living off of it and as EVERY company there is a multiplier to apply to final cost.
Audio is an expensive hobby it's not like going to store and buying milk and bread....obviously margins here are much higher due to the lower volume!
Here there is s market in place and price range are ready set so if pass or others want to make a $85K power amp in order for it to be successful and therefore accepted it has to play on the same legue of the other competitors and of or does...well...then you have no reasons to start counting parts inside (which you would be surprised to see how fast even industrial components add up the price one after another!!)
A few years have passed and she's changed phones and numbers etc.
If only I knew I would call her myself and tell her that I have 800 Diamonds waiting for her.
Shoot!!! I am pretty sure you can still trace her down can't u???? I mean friends in common Facebook page instagram and stuff like that???
Was she into audio???
Stefano , I know that very well and unlike some I absolutely have no problem with the fact that there are things (audio related or not) which I never will be able to afford. They simply have to exist so the people who can afford it can have an opportunity to spend their money. I was merely pointing to the fact that usually in top end gear the circuit is not the deciding cost driving factor. Goldmund sells their JOB 225 amp for $1.5k . The same circuit slightly better executed in their Goldmund box can cost up to $40k.
It's justifiable since there is large group of people to whom $40k is a lunch money and they absolutely deserve a better box😀
Art , sorry for being a prick. Using private photos is OK , at least it's your experience unlike some who just post their "unfulfilled projections" 😉
Wine , women and garbage collection are one of my favorite activities as well ..
Limono can't judge goldmund and I don't know what circuit they use...but I can tell you that when I work on audio projects like pose amps or presmplifiers I can guarantee you that when you work on a top level design and use premium parts..wow...you will be surprised to see how much the final bill is.
Example, to build something like XA200.5 or .8 considering
Matching parts boards heatsinks connectors etc etc...you won't get by with nothing less than 12k plus your labor which is a lot of time.
Now if you factor an average $25-30 for normal techician,there can be probably 20-30hours of labor to fully assemble one there is another $1k at least only in labor.
Assuming that for the volume he sells the 200.5 he can get 40-50% discount it would still cost Nelson probably about $7k including labor to build one set.
Using the multiplier 1:5-6 you get to the mrsp it sells for.
Consider you can usually get 20-30% discount you can now see how little you save by making it yourself! Sls keep in mind there are several hands the amplifier passes onto and each set of hands brings a little extra mark up which is the multiplier we spoke above.
I hope this will explain a bit that some prices might be justifiable.
Now if ppl can't afford it..they can always get something smaller...
Example, to build something like XA200.5 or .8 considering
Matching parts boards heatsinks connectors etc etc...you won't get by with nothing less than 12k plus your labor which is a lot of time.
Now if you factor an average $25-30 for normal techician,there can be probably 20-30hours of labor to fully assemble one there is another $1k at least only in labor.
Assuming that for the volume he sells the 200.5 he can get 40-50% discount it would still cost Nelson probably about $7k including labor to build one set.
Using the multiplier 1:5-6 you get to the mrsp it sells for.
Consider you can usually get 20-30% discount you can now see how little you save by making it yourself! Sls keep in mind there are several hands the amplifier passes onto and each set of hands brings a little extra mark up which is the multiplier we spoke above.
I hope this will explain a bit that some prices might be justifiable.
Now if ppl can't afford it..they can always get something smaller...
Some things can and some can't be justified. The toughest is always
machining and looks. "Anyone" can make a good sounding amp.
What I can't tolerate is a premium priced product that looks kitschy.
This isn't such a rare mistake that manufacturers do. If I were to produce
anything and found myself unable to make it look elegant and nice, I'd
give a call to Pininfarina S.p.A. or Giorgetto Giugiaro.
machining and looks. "Anyone" can make a good sounding amp.
What I can't tolerate is a premium priced product that looks kitschy.
This isn't such a rare mistake that manufacturers do. If I were to produce
anything and found myself unable to make it look elegant and nice, I'd
give a call to Pininfarina S.p.A. or Giorgetto Giugiaro.
Yes and they will certainly charge you a premium that would be surpringlu high!!
Anyway nowadays look is a must from cheap up to high level products and this drives prices down but also help sales.
With nice look you can often in time get away with less than premium sound for a more than a premium price!
Difficult is to find a product that looks good and sounds better for a reasonable amount!
To go back to pass's amo that was an example to show you that to build one is not so cheap as many could think..also you get the idea that look is very essential still nice but nothing extra fancy and money are spent more on quality of product which is good industrial parts and lots of R&D.
Well,
I just ordered mine, 800 Diamond. They should be here in few days...
They will replace my diy Ekta Grande...Hope room will be big enough (some 20+ square meters)
I just ordered mine, 800 Diamond. They should be here in few days...
They will replace my diy Ekta Grande...Hope room will be big enough (some 20+ square meters)
The way Ekta Grande is voiced, it doesn't surprise me at all people
are considering commercial stuff as a better overall solution.
are considering commercial stuff as a better overall solution.
Beside the fact obviously it is exciting to get a new speaker, were you aware of:
a) you could have bought Sig800 save some money have have a better sound from the get go?
b) B&W will come out with new 800 series design end of this year beginning of next one, which means that your speakers will have a steep depreciation very soon?
c) 20sq mt for 800 is pure craziness!!!! 20sqmt will barely be enough for 805 size!!!! If you want to take full advantage of the volume generated by 800 a room of 40msq + will be minimum requirement!!
I am just talking to a friend of mine who bought a Diamond 805 a couple of months ago and compared it to my Nautilus 805 and tried to shoot himself on his foot? Diamond sounds like tweeter will drill through your ears and there is no flow from top to bottom. Also thought of mention that I have listened to Diamond 802 as well and it was a terrible experience.
If you have not paid yet and cancel your order....I don't want to be a party pooper but I would personally do that. 😱
Dear Stefanoooo
You are such a friend! Many thx for taking care about my money! I really apreciate this.
Just wondering (since i never claim that I will buy new pair)...what if I can buy 800D2 actually cheaper than 800S? SH of course...
And replay to my neighbour Lojzek. I was really happy with Ekta Grande. Reason why I will change speaker is not sound-relaled. Some of my golden ear friends prefere Ekta G's driven by VTL100W PP to Serblin's Ktema driven by UR Absolute. Not bad for DIY effort, right? 🙂
BR,
I
You are such a friend! Many thx for taking care about my money! I really apreciate this.
Just wondering (since i never claim that I will buy new pair)...what if I can buy 800D2 actually cheaper than 800S? SH of course...
And replay to my neighbour Lojzek. I was really happy with Ekta Grande. Reason why I will change speaker is not sound-relaled. Some of my golden ear friends prefere Ekta G's driven by VTL100W PP to Serblin's Ktema driven by UR Absolute. Not bad for DIY effort, right? 🙂
BR,
I
Igor;4345077 I was really happy with Ekta Grande. Reason why I will change speaker is not sound-related BR said:
Sure ,and Hummer is a great car to commute to work, and pumped up 50 year old Hollywood doll an object of virtual desire 😉
I can't afford any of those so I'm biting my nails out of jealousy and enrage aspiring masses...
Wake up , it's the DIY place , not a church to worship an aspirational semi-mass produced, nuvo riche MDF sculpture..
cheers,