perfectly , as I have said on other occasions . would be sufficient a control, to eliminate a good portion of charlatans , not content... , also has the courage to defame those who work seriously . the difference between a certified product , and one without certification is something immense . returning to a smps , I can not put 1600uF in high voltage cell ( just solve everything ) . CE Commissioner , put out of the window my smps . but it is the customer who has to ask for measurements . this solves everything.
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I'm happy for your intervent.
tell me about the products that you have at home. 😀
...Just for precision, does not exist the name "China Export".
what did you get then? ...tell your friend to change jobs, just in time.
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"Hi amateur"
Your favorite opening sentence LOL Well if this is a mistake you produce all products with "China Export" logo, it isn't very professional.
If it is because your company doesn't conform to EC european marking rules, it is very professional way to mislead.
The logo, both, are well known!
Your favorite opening sentence LOL Well if this is a mistake you produce all products with "China Export" logo, it isn't very professional.
If it is because your company doesn't conform to EC european marking rules, it is very professional way to mislead.
The logo, both, are well known!
Strange your passion, to warn me... but thank.
eheheh full company have certification.
and..what is for you "professional"? a pcs of iron of smps (not good for electric motor) maybe?
or audiophile amp pushed...but with smps infected in side?
ah...yes, at listen have good sound.
We man are absourd...some changes the bjt or develop complete input stage in amplifier as diamond buffer eg. just for save 0,003% as point in segment linearity (not udible obvious) and after....alters (modify) 30% on micro linearity just add the poor smps? see fft ahahah!
This we are.
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Well as long as the product is superior audio-wise, I can easily forgive such marking deviation.
Well, start with pcb manufactory, printed in Italy only on two big services. All with the documentation from these services.
All our pcb model, are printed from this two service/logo.
For components used in all products, I think is visible.
Now, we use around 25000 electrolytic caps/ year. rubbycon/elna last agreements with panasonic/Nichicon. I have asked date of fill on package, just for example,or not buy.
Yah, received a lot of email from alibaba etc via China, 2-3 email at day I mean. the discount is illusion, if you add the import tax, the price is higher than supply directly or by Nichicon ELNA for these quantities,and without liability on the origin and date of manufacture,important in the case is for smps.
My advice to those who want to obscure these products:
Save your energy to develop really good products. or lose time and risks of closing the cabin. diy also evolves in the meantime. 🙂
All our pcb model, are printed from this two service/logo.
For components used in all products, I think is visible.
Now, we use around 25000 electrolytic caps/ year. rubbycon/elna last agreements with panasonic/Nichicon. I have asked date of fill on package, just for example,or not buy.
Yah, received a lot of email from alibaba etc via China, 2-3 email at day I mean. the discount is illusion, if you add the import tax, the price is higher than supply directly or by Nichicon ELNA for these quantities,and without liability on the origin and date of manufacture,important in the case is for smps.
My advice to those who want to obscure these products:
Save your energy to develop really good products. or lose time and risks of closing the cabin. diy also evolves in the meantime. 🙂
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Well, I thank "Irribeo" .
Now we have solved this problem.
Meanwhile, the whole production made in Italy, these two logos are connected to two big Italian services, incorporating the most advanced technology, offering certainly guarantee on European regulations, that the reliability on the pcb.
We have printed more than 15000 pcb.
Our products are assembled in Italy, all exclusively with selected components.
In our records, I have seen more than 30 vendors, yes, including the screws, which are supplied to us by Bossard spa,just for example.
Problem of error graphic on the logo "CE" absurd coincidence that China has achieved the same .. but moved 2mm ... ahahah!....wonderful are the governments that accept this.
Our legal representatives have assured us that it is sufficient to erase the logo on the pcb, and put a small sticker with "CE" correct. will prevail, the full documentation that is in our possession, including certificates issued on the EMI / RFI.
that is all
We do not even have 1 pcb, as proto, printed out from these 2 services 🙂
Regards
Now we have solved this problem.
Meanwhile, the whole production made in Italy, these two logos are connected to two big Italian services, incorporating the most advanced technology, offering certainly guarantee on European regulations, that the reliability on the pcb.
We have printed more than 15000 pcb.
Our products are assembled in Italy, all exclusively with selected components.
In our records, I have seen more than 30 vendors, yes, including the screws, which are supplied to us by Bossard spa,just for example.
Problem of error graphic on the logo "CE" absurd coincidence that China has achieved the same .. but moved 2mm ... ahahah!....wonderful are the governments that accept this.
Our legal representatives have assured us that it is sufficient to erase the logo on the pcb, and put a small sticker with "CE" correct. will prevail, the full documentation that is in our possession, including certificates issued on the EMI / RFI.
that is all
We do not even have 1 pcb, as proto, printed out from these 2 services 🙂
Regards
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Very Thank, I know well this,already told irribeo.
But it's good that we delete from pcb, no big problem, is simple after final test.
it was also a way to learn more about us. 🙂
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When it says China Export it (usually) means China Export. "Official" has zero meaning in this, it has become good custom to use this mark if produced in China.
Offcourse this mark get abused like all other marks too🙂 But abuse of this marking isn't yet a crime like abuse of "öfficial" marks.
For your pleasure I have attached a ChinaExport product that indeed also has all certifications you might wish is European brand of little stature, and shows China Export. You might have known: Bang&Olufsen Icepower
http://i7.minus.com/i0BJXhJ9Bqmnh.jpg
The Icepower website shows all UL certification numbers and all CE confirmation information and other certification numbers you might find reassuring, they don't just say it, they show it and you can check the numbers online then, and like Apple Iphone5, it is ChinaExport too LOL Unofficial, not if you dont want to believe it🙂
Offcourse this mark get abused like all other marks too🙂 But abuse of this marking isn't yet a crime like abuse of "öfficial" marks.
For your pleasure I have attached a ChinaExport product that indeed also has all certifications you might wish is European brand of little stature, and shows China Export. You might have known: Bang&Olufsen Icepower
http://i7.minus.com/i0BJXhJ9Bqmnh.jpg
The Icepower website shows all UL certification numbers and all CE confirmation information and other certification numbers you might find reassuring, they don't just say it, they show it and you can check the numbers online then, and like Apple Iphone5, it is ChinaExport too LOL Unofficial, not if you dont want to believe it🙂
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Guys,
Not out of respect, but could you please take this CE discussion elsewhere? Nothing to do with the dps-500 product performance and specs. I'm bored and tired of this discussion and frankly coudn't give a damn about the CE logo as long as the product is good quality and perform as expected, which it is since I've tested them back at home.
Thanks
Do
Not out of respect, but could you please take this CE discussion elsewhere? Nothing to do with the dps-500 product performance and specs. I'm bored and tired of this discussion and frankly coudn't give a damn about the CE logo as long as the product is good quality and perform as expected, which it is since I've tested them back at home.
Thanks
Do
YOU are bored with this discussion, is this YOUR thread ? Nobody is forcing you to read it, chill out man. 😀
Eric
Eric
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Eric,
Did you follow this thread or any other thread on the DPS SMPS series? If not, many have just tried to put down Roberto (AP2) for some reason I cannot understand. Maybe it is of some interest to you because this is where you work and what you do (UL, etc...) but this looks again like an attempt to put AP2 down but MAYBE I'm wrong, anyways it just could be done in another thread that talks about certification to not pollute this thread. You're right, it is not my thread but I did follow every single thread AP2 has opened and actually own many of his products.
Peace 😉
Do
BTW, I love your avatar
To Irribeo:
I agree, to a discussion on the CE marking or other details about our products, but not in this way. no one is stupid.
I receive continuous attacks on the forum, Audiopower receives attempts viruses on the site, the shop all the time. the reason is at the same time, the "evidence" that our products will disturb some inefficient companies. yes even some "important", do not be surprised by this.
Even my technical articles disturb.
The real facts are: all products are made in Italy.
DPS-400 and DPS-500, have a lot of certifications.
Your chat can not cancel this, do you understand?
and remove this "corpse" of IcePower from my thread.
Just You know:
My first thread is "DXA-400 Class D amplifier. Presentation of the new amp. Well, look at the date! Yha .. The surrogate NCore not exist (but Hypex was working of course), here's the justification for the attacks., But despite this , NCore is less than the DXA-400. (in all measure, and behavior). obvious I do not discuss how it sounds, I have no interest.
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A company that puts electrolytic bought for 1 € / kg, just on smps... You do not have the words for them?
At the end, all attacks they will return to the morons. independent if the is company or single idiot.
...I have no reason to be anonymous, you have?
We have to wait another 10 years for a forum to request a certified e-mail?
Just to clean up some worms.
I agree, to a discussion on the CE marking or other details about our products, but not in this way. no one is stupid.
I receive continuous attacks on the forum, Audiopower receives attempts viruses on the site, the shop all the time. the reason is at the same time, the "evidence" that our products will disturb some inefficient companies. yes even some "important", do not be surprised by this.
Even my technical articles disturb.
The real facts are: all products are made in Italy.
DPS-400 and DPS-500, have a lot of certifications.
Your chat can not cancel this, do you understand?
and remove this "corpse" of IcePower from my thread.
Just You know:
My first thread is "DXA-400 Class D amplifier. Presentation of the new amp. Well, look at the date! Yha .. The surrogate NCore not exist (but Hypex was working of course), here's the justification for the attacks., But despite this , NCore is less than the DXA-400. (in all measure, and behavior). obvious I do not discuss how it sounds, I have no interest.
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A company that puts electrolytic bought for 1 € / kg, just on smps... You do not have the words for them?
At the end, all attacks they will return to the morons. independent if the is company or single idiot.
...I have no reason to be anonymous, you have?
We have to wait another 10 years for a forum to request a certified e-mail?
Just to clean up some worms.
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danny_66 2x DPS-500-DA/FO / with frame
pinnocchio 2x DPS-500-DA/FO with frame
Eric06 2x DPS-500-DA/FO / with frame
Catal 2x DPS-500-DA/FO / with frame
Jokari69 2x DPS-500-DA/FO / with frame
maxidcx 2x DPS-500-DA/FO / with frame
Just to move up the GB list 😉
Edit: Check on post 50 and 56 for product pricing and main description
pinnocchio 2x DPS-500-DA/FO with frame
Eric06 2x DPS-500-DA/FO / with frame
Catal 2x DPS-500-DA/FO / with frame
Jokari69 2x DPS-500-DA/FO / with frame
maxidcx 2x DPS-500-DA/FO / with frame
Just to move up the GB list 😉
Edit: Check on post 50 and 56 for product pricing and main description
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Hi,
I continue with measures.
This two pics, show the fft,Same setup,just I change the smps and switch-on.
no cable or parameters moved,only attenuator to push identical level on 4R.
I accept someone can say: this measure is not true, free on this.
Not accept, that the infected fft, nothing to do con sound result, this is a "bestiality".
Not need ask me, what smps of competitors is.
I continue with measures.
This two pics, show the fft,Same setup,just I change the smps and switch-on.
no cable or parameters moved,only attenuator to push identical level on 4R.
I accept someone can say: this measure is not true, free on this.
Not accept, that the infected fft, nothing to do con sound result, this is a "bestiality".
Not need ask me, what smps of competitors is.
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AP2: you often create a lot of drama and suspense. Maybe you have reason to react this way, I don't really care. People can make jokes about you fuming China product, because everything Audiopower offered to sell them was labelled 'made in china'. So in a way you were defaming Audiopower products. Now you know. Fixing this now can begin. Does Audiopower need all the mark/certifications? Not for selling to us for DIY I think. But if you claim Audiopower products do have all kind of certifications and also put them on product, then it would be better if Audiopower communicates them like these official institutes prescribe. Failing to do so might evoke (negative) assumptions about Audiopower and product. To me that isn't really surprising but like pinnocchio I don't really care. But you show you care, and beside all the drama I believe your reactions to be sincere in that aspect.
Is this about quality? You bet. Is this about sound quality? It is meant as sound advise🙂
It isn't meant as discussion, more like sharing an observation. BTW if you want my email adress, for whatever paranoid reason you have, you could try to PM me here, or just ask LazyCat, he has all my real life address data too😀
Is this about quality? You bet. Is this about sound quality? It is meant as sound advise🙂
It isn't meant as discussion, more like sharing an observation. BTW if you want my email adress, for whatever paranoid reason you have, you could try to PM me here, or just ask LazyCat, he has all my real life address data too😀
I do not like the way you open the issue. I think this is clear to everyone.
We have no problem, just make it clear that we do not enter anything with China. the new site, is under develop, obviously that will contain all the information.
I hope that your action "controller" will be directed also towards other companies and pseudo developer. particularly in certain companies without professional dignity.
Mine is not a "drama", it's just that I have pockets full...
How ever, I do not attack others? You think, I do not have arguments? yes...a lot I have.
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Added myself to the list:
danny_66 2x DPS-500-DA/FO / with frame
pinnocchio 2x DPS-500-DA/FO with frame
Eric06 2x DPS-500-DA/FO / with frame
Catal 2x DPS-500-DA/FO / with frame
Jokari69 2x DPS-500-DA/FO / with frame
maxidcx 2x DPS-500-DA/FO / with frame
Edionysus 2x DPS-500-DA/FO / with frame
danny_66 2x DPS-500-DA/FO / with frame
pinnocchio 2x DPS-500-DA/FO with frame
Eric06 2x DPS-500-DA/FO / with frame
Catal 2x DPS-500-DA/FO / with frame
Jokari69 2x DPS-500-DA/FO / with frame
maxidcx 2x DPS-500-DA/FO / with frame
Edionysus 2x DPS-500-DA/FO / with frame
To all GB members:
Goodmorning to all,
First of all, I want to thank LC for the availability and the time devoted to measures of the DPS-500-DA.
Well, the series ... even I can make mistakes
Independent of temp protection, in these 2 recent weeks, I have focused on the heat generated by the transformer, creating an optimized version (not sent to LC), I gained 8 ° C. but... even pushing high power for 4 hours, with no problems on thermal protection, I can not approve this version at 61V, becouse, we do not have a good margin, in case anyone has a temperature ambient greater than 30 ° C, and push to high-power output.
In fact, the official versions of the DPS-500-DA, are offered in the range of 44-52v, with no problem in this two years.
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What can I say ... Just to exclusive correctness, I can offer the DPS-500 / S and for sure, the new version of DPS-400-S1, this last, approved Also from high-end company, in measures, audio performance and reliability, as the top.
Please, take these words of mine, solely as a chance opportunity, no other.
At short I put the prices for both version. no problem for qty available,in particular, for the new DPS-400-S1, 1600pz printed fresh, all with the same batch of parts, just as info.
Best regards.
Roberto
Goodmorning to all,
First of all, I want to thank LC for the availability and the time devoted to measures of the DPS-500-DA.
Well, the series ... even I can make mistakes
Independent of temp protection, in these 2 recent weeks, I have focused on the heat generated by the transformer, creating an optimized version (not sent to LC), I gained 8 ° C. but... even pushing high power for 4 hours, with no problems on thermal protection, I can not approve this version at 61V, becouse, we do not have a good margin, in case anyone has a temperature ambient greater than 30 ° C, and push to high-power output.
In fact, the official versions of the DPS-500-DA, are offered in the range of 44-52v, with no problem in this two years.
----
What can I say ... Just to exclusive correctness, I can offer the DPS-500 / S and for sure, the new version of DPS-400-S1, this last, approved Also from high-end company, in measures, audio performance and reliability, as the top.
Please, take these words of mine, solely as a chance opportunity, no other.
At short I put the prices for both version. no problem for qty available,in particular, for the new DPS-400-S1, 1600pz printed fresh, all with the same batch of parts, just as info.
Best regards.
Roberto
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