In my youth I did pull some old HUGE tube amps out of old theaters when we upgraded the gear, thinking What the heck is this... junk. Oh the regret that I didn't keep some of them.
Then there were all the old Altec / Lansing horns I put in dumpsters... I'm going to audio heck for that.
Then there were all the old Altec / Lansing horns I put in dumpsters... I'm going to audio heck for that.
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Yeh because at even moderate levels it will clip like a bastard with 17V supply rails I assume ion this particular circuit will will do it in t00b fashion.
ehh, that wouldnt sound even close to 'tubey', would it ?
that is, if I have any idea what it means, tubey
Use it with +/100V rails instead, if +/-17 is too moderate for you, what's the difference?
When overloaded it smoothly transits from very low output resistance to very high, that's the main point.
I mean, tubey clipping, and no transistor-like crossover distortions heard. My point is, in order to get soft clipping you can use solid state devices, and get the same result. But cleanness and transparency of tube amps is not the result of soft clipping, like people assume after getting familiar with guitar amps. Guitar amps and hi-fi amps use tubes for totally different purposes.
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Boomy bass on clipping instead of fried tweeters? 😀
Go on jam session and tell it to musicians. Loudly! Then run as fast as you can. 😀
I have no idea what your on about so i'll ignore it!
What is a modest power for your average tube amp?
I know. You see no difference between damping and clipping. 😀
I have no idea what is modest power and average amp that you mean. Different speakers in different environments require different powers.
Do I not? How would you know that then?
17V supply rails will clip, low damping will cause boomy high distortion bass, the clipping probably not so obvious because of this?
Sorry I should of been more precise an average tube amp sitting in an audiophiles front room that they have spent quite a bit of money on, lets say a large amount on.
17V supply rails will clip, low damping will cause boomy high distortion bass, the clipping probably not so obvious because of this?
Sorry I should of been more precise an average tube amp sitting in an audiophiles front room that they have spent quite a bit of money on, lets say a large amount on.
But the assertion was that high levels of "THD" were transparent. I was just pointing out to people less omniscient than you, why it couldn't be, unless it really was 'harmonic' for all the sources comprising the input waveform. And mainly pointing out the audible benefits of low distortion, as opposed to the fairly common idea around here that an amplifier can sound 'musical' with the 'right kind' of 'harmonic' distortion.
Not at all. Assertion was, average temperature of patients in the clinic can be the same as in another, but that means nothing in terms of health of them, as well as in terms of what kind of illnesses do they have. In one clinic all patients may have 37 degrees, while in another some of them 42. Patients of 1'st clinic may be alive, while in the 2'nd one some of them die.
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Jeez N-O, that's a wild and crazy story. I can relate only thru desire, as I could never afford the high end stuff having wasted all my money on women and motorcycles.
If the money had been there, I'd have done the same thing, splurged on a huge system. It would have been the Magnapan Tymphani II and Audio Research amps for me. But way out of reach, just too much money. That led me to DIY, which is much cheaper and suits my basically mean nature. 😉 Find it, fix it, mod it or build it. That's the life for me.
As SY pointed out, that's called IM distortion, and it's real enough. I don't know much about its audible effects, but there must be plenty of good literature on the subject.
As for the structure of harmonic distortion, I understand your point that when the signal gets very dense, there's going to be a lot of harmonics. Lower amounts of distortion are good, noof course, but sometimes even low amounts can sound worse because of the structure. I honestly don't know what happens with circuits when the signal gets very complex, but I do know from my own experience and that of many others that circuits with a "benign" harmonic structure as measured on single tones tend to sound transparent and detailed on complex signals. That's the basic idea behind looking at the harmonic structure.
Also; measuring distortion at 1Khz only gives a small part of the picture. Stepping up to 4 or 5 Khz can often show a much different picture. Ditto testing on different loads and at different powers.
I'd just like to point out that the guitar amp most famous and popular for clean sounds has for a long time been the Roland Jazz Chorus, as it happens a SS design.
Wiki even has a list of famous users:
James Hetfield
Wes Borland
Andy Summers
Nick McCabe
Robert Fripp
Adrian Belew
Gustavo Cerati
Johnny Marr
Emily Remler
Bradley Nowell
Robert Smith of The Cure
Bireli Lagrène
El Gran Silencio
Michael Gira
Carlos Alomar
Mark Knopfler
although they missed my own favourite: Ali Farka Toure.
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