You're all taking yourselves far too seriously when gems like this pass unnoticed for pages.
There's Pano - the shameless author, and there are the rest of you, who swallowed it unflinchingly. I don't know which is worse, but I certainly wouldn't turn to either set for a balanced judgement on any subject.
If you said this in front of the guys I work with you'd be driven out of the room by the gales of mockery. Have you all lost all capacity for introspection?
Pretentious? Moi?
Are you really interested in 'Hi-Fi'? I mean are you interested in true high fidelity?
I don't really give a fig about the equipment, just as long as I get enjoyment from the music it plays.
If you define fidelity with distortion figures etc etc you're trying too hard. You're turning into the man that frets when he plays his most loved tracks if he can hear the THD rising too quickly, if the air dialectic is oxidising his 99.9999% silver interconnects, if that was saturation in the transformer, and if he should buy into a reel to reel deck................
Class A/AB,D,ChipAmp - IB,OB,FR - Silver,6N copper...... blah blah blah just a means to and end - what that end IS is the personal thing
A guy who repaired my Tannoy DC's, worked for Tannoy in the day put it best. He said 'If you're spending more on equipment than music, you like equipment. If you're spending more on music than equipment you like music. If you spend the same you need to sort out your priorities'
I don't really give a fig about the equipment, just as long as I get enjoyment from the music it plays.
If you define fidelity with distortion figures etc etc you're trying too hard. You're turning into the man that frets when he plays his most loved tracks if he can hear the THD rising too quickly, if the air dialectic is oxidising his 99.9999% silver interconnects, if that was saturation in the transformer, and if he should buy into a reel to reel deck................
Class A/AB,D,ChipAmp - IB,OB,FR - Silver,6N copper...... blah blah blah just a means to and end - what that end IS is the personal thing
A guy who repaired my Tannoy DC's, worked for Tannoy in the day put it best. He said 'If you're spending more on equipment than music, you like equipment. If you're spending more on music than equipment you like music. If you spend the same you need to sort out your priorities'
I hate HiFi. The more I got into HiFi the more time i spent listening to little bits of songs over and over, listening to the "inky black" background, tweaking this-then tweaking it back. I learned a little and lost a lot of time. Diminishing returns.
I like dynamics. I listen to horns and big woofers. I enjoy f'ing with records and turntables. The little bit of noise is quickly forgotten when the first note hits and I get goose bumps. A good song sounds good on my plastic clock radio. It sounds f'ing awesome on my stereo.
I like dynamics. I listen to horns and big woofers. I enjoy f'ing with records and turntables. The little bit of noise is quickly forgotten when the first note hits and I get goose bumps. A good song sounds good on my plastic clock radio. It sounds f'ing awesome on my stereo.
Nothing wrong with liking equipment, it's a fun hobby.
If I spend more on my car than on gasoline, does that mean I like my car more than going somewhere? 🙂
If I spend more on my car than on gasoline, does that mean I like my car more than going somewhere? 🙂
Thats not an argument in the UK at $7.82 a gallon 😀
Should have said that his last statement 'If you spend the same you need to sort out your priorities' meant then you should prioritise music. And he had heard some of the most amazing systems Tannoy ever devised
Music outdates Hi-Fi by thousands of years and can exist without Hi-Fi - the same can not be said of Hi-Fi - well it could sit on the shelf and occupy outlandishly huge sections of our living rooms and bleed our bank accounts dry but the significant other would get pi$$ed of pretty quickly
I know, and I do enjoy the hobby. I just like being cynical. I still appreciate improvement. I'm just not obsessive about it anymore. I build speakers constantly and enjoy the build more than the listen sometimes. I drove myself nuts not being sure if I could hear the difference between a mechanically isolated amplifier chassis versus a mass loaded one. Maybe that lesson was worth the wasted time... making it worthwhile time.
I'm going to cut some wood, I just scored a pair of woofer free Altec Model 14's for $50. I'm going to make something to stick those horns into.
😀
JRKO,
It's always about the music ... hi-fi is the medium that gets me there , i enjoy farting with the equipment , but mostly listening to the music , the closer it gets, the more i enjoy ....
Wash -Rinse-Repeat .... !!!!!...
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Neither in Algeria where i was during last year s end...
Diesel was 0.137 euro/litre and gas was at 0.192 euro/litre..🙂
Back in France , it became so painfull to go at the pump...😡
If I were one to truly be concerned solely with "performance"...most likely I would have a pair of JBL LSR 6332s mounted chest high on stands, the 'box' horizontal.....I'd fab-up some NewClassD units...the ones from Denmark...
I'd pick apart the music down to every last minutia.
But that's not 'me'. I'd rather have a pair of "Big Blues"(JBL 4350), a quad of 813 SEs' fabbed by my own hand , two on a slab of cork atop each. Bi-amped. Some Miles Davis at perfect volume level, Perhaps an "art-deco" style TT between the pair......the lights down low....the glow of the quartet 813s..............You get the picture.
Something to aspire to,perhaps not 'realistic', not the cold "reality" of class D & studio monitors, trying to "flatten","perfect" the response.
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I'd pick apart the music down to every last minutia.
But that's not 'me'. I'd rather have a pair of "Big Blues"(JBL 4350), a quad of 813 SEs' fabbed by my own hand , two on a slab of cork atop each. Bi-amped. Some Miles Davis at perfect volume level, Perhaps an "art-deco" style TT between the pair......the lights down low....the glow of the quartet 813s..............You get the picture.
Something to aspire to,perhaps not 'realistic', not the cold "reality" of class D & studio monitors, trying to "flatten","perfect" the response.
_____________________________________________________Rick.........
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Tubes and Solid State can be equally hi fi. That's because there aren't really all these imagined differences between amps that people say there are, and both of these technology, along with PWM amplifiers, are advanced enough to provide excellent transparency.
😕 ...um... that's called distortion.
Until I've got loudspeakers/room that can't be improved, I'll never contemplate adding to the signal with electronics.
🙄
Overproduced Rock is not the only genre out there.
Anyone with a good ear for classical will tell you they prefer transparent amps, and that most differences under actual controlled / level matched conditions are mostly imagined, not discrete. The people imagining them are probably the people who made the amp (who want to validate their design/construction with differences), the people who bought the amp (who want to validate their purchase with differences), or the people reviewing the amp (who want to validate their ultra audiophile abilities with differences).
Yes there's amplifiers that are not transparent and add to the signal. Anyone with a good ear for real life music can hear the colorations added and most certainly doesn't like that tubby, artificial sound.
I dunno...what about dem huge Danley Jericho Horns? 😱
😕 ...um... that's called distortion.
Until I've got loudspeakers/room that can't be improved, I'll never contemplate adding to the signal with electronics.
🙄
Overproduced Rock is not the only genre out there.
Anyone with a good ear for classical will tell you they prefer transparent amps, and that most differences under actual controlled / level matched conditions are mostly imagined, not discrete. The people imagining them are probably the people who made the amp (who want to validate their design/construction with differences), the people who bought the amp (who want to validate their purchase with differences), or the people reviewing the amp (who want to validate their ultra audiophile abilities with differences).
Yes there's amplifiers that are not transparent and add to the signal. Anyone with a good ear for real life music can hear the colorations added and most certainly doesn't like that tubby, artificial sound.
I dunno...what about dem huge Danley Jericho Horns? 😱
Yeah, I know. I hired car in London last year and tried not to think about how much I was spending on petrol. ouch.
Still, even at those high prices you could buy 90-100K miles worth of petrol before you equaled the price of a nice, new car.
Can we figure out a similar music to equipment cost ratio? I have somewhere around $3K invested in my hi-fi rig and 42 days and nights of music on the hard drive (no idea the cost). Is that good or bad?
Not sure.
I have a mere 1.2 days' listening on my iTunes, most of which I've bought myself, and spent maybe £300 on my hifi rig.
Your listening to cost ratio is better than mine, but do you listen to all of it?
(I also read the first 6 pages of this thread.
Valves present an interesting challenge in getting them to work well: at the end of it all, waving electrons around using charged grids is nearly as bad as waving bits of paper around with magnets. I've heard some nice sounds from valve-based equipment, but I wouldn't have a valve-based stereo. Too dangerous to make, too easily broken, not enough power.)
Note the above is in brackets - no need for a reply, just putting my somewhat belated opinion out there.
Chris
I have a mere 1.2 days' listening on my iTunes, most of which I've bought myself, and spent maybe £300 on my hifi rig.
Your listening to cost ratio is better than mine, but do you listen to all of it?
(I also read the first 6 pages of this thread.
Valves present an interesting challenge in getting them to work well: at the end of it all, waving electrons around using charged grids is nearly as bad as waving bits of paper around with magnets. I've heard some nice sounds from valve-based equipment, but I wouldn't have a valve-based stereo. Too dangerous to make, too easily broken, not enough power.)
Note the above is in brackets - no need for a reply, just putting my somewhat belated opinion out there.
Chris
No. 😱 Tho I guess I have at some point. I listen to the radio and Pandora a lot. Tells you something, doesn't it?
But only on credit unless you're loaded. I buy toyotas 2nd hand an take em to 150k then sell and do it all again. Petrol costs far outweighs the car cost
Using my 20k tracks/53 days as a starting point - You have (assuming $10 per album, 12 tracks per album) 15850 tracks / 12 = 1320 albums so about $13.2k in music that a ratio of 4.4:1 $4.40 on music to every $1 in Hi-Fi
I have about $600 at the moment (2nd hand/DIY)so..... 20k tracks/12track album= 1666 albums (not including vinyl). Albums here are $15 so thats $24990 against $600 or 41:1 music to Hi-Fi
But I think we need to count TOTAL Hi-Fi expenditure rather than current system value - I still have every CD/Vinyl I've ever bought but not the Hi-Fi - Does this mean music is more important?
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