Are there any excellent inexpensive Chinese DACs?

My version of the Yamamoto Dac (DIY, tube output, simply just one resistor I/V converter, good output coupling caps, Duelund can’t be beat), is the best dac I ever heard for the money… Better than the most expensive Chinese dac… And if you use a more mondane output cap, doesn’t cost that much. It uses two PCM1794 dac IC’s, they are R2R inside.

Btw I have a RME dac/headphone amp and it also sounds excellent…

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brut force... Not sure it is linear enough to avoid conversion errors whatever it is 16 bits ? And you are limited with the R value for the noise. Maybe with modern high current output DAC chip >6 mA ? I find active better.

And if you have high sample materials, simple I/V direct with a resistor.... humm?

@tonyEE : one couch by people, all these buffle killed for people to have buts-room because of too much pizzas and ice-creams ! This is not America... This is breakfast in America... a good album, btw also in my testing pannel (Oh Darling....) 😆
 
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The bottleneck of most of the early Multibit CDPs is the the output section imo.

In 1995, this DAC embodied a step in the right direction:

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I also have an RME ADI-2 Pro FS R Black Edition... but I don't use it much. It was part of the plan to record my LPs.

But then I went on a tear with updating my Linn table and all of my previous 24/96 recordings become obsolete overnight.

It is said not to sound good but if you drive with the SINAD patrol.... I have read; never heard it. (Certainly a dream for mic reccording to diy a loudspeaker though)

The advantage I see with cheap chi-fi is when I get too old and need an ADC/DAC rectifier called ears buds for farts. They will sell soon hifi ADC/DAC with chineese equivalent of Dirac for 250 bucks like the Wiims' I buy instead. And I can make the correction directly for the TV and hifi, not hearing anymore the dialog of the neigboors and family at normal level.... I wisch I was tomorrow ! I have no plan though if the eyes will be alsotouched; I have no brain, so I am safe on that side !
 
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^Mostly I listened.... I paid attention. It was a hobby and I was already an audiophile. I got paid in beer, pizza, BBQ and friends.

But then, in the early 80s I started to go to the Punk and New Wave Clubs in SoCal.

What? What did you say?

😉

Best period of my life for music maybe, I enjoyed Joy Division a lot then New Order, Sex pistols, The Clashes, then Simple Mind, Depeche Mode, Cure to name the most famous.

Joy Division was so badly reccorded with that cave sound any hifi was okay with it !
 
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@tonyEE : one couch by people, all these buffle killed for people to have buts-room because of too much pizzas and ice-creams ! This is not America... This is breakfast in America... a good album, btw also in my testing pannel (Oh Darling....) 😆

I saw Supertramp during their Breakfast In America tour.

It was.... AWESOME....

I got the MoFi LP. Indeed, one of my testing panel LPs.... what the heck... I just love listening to it.

Take a jumbo across the water
Like to see America
See the girls in California
I'm hoping it's going to come true
But there's not a lot I can do


Hmmmm.... interesting... I did take a jumbo across the water to America and did marry a girl from California.

But for true testing.... From Now On, in Even In The Quietest Moments is outstanding... yes, I love it too

( I got it playing right now... )

Diamonds
Are what I really need
Think I'll rob a store
Escape the law and live in Italy


Oh, our fine Italian couches are almost 40 years old. When you buy good stuff it lasts forever. And we don't live on pizzas and ice-cream.

Tonight for dinner, it's gonna be halibut with grilled asparagus, a nice spring salad, bagette and a chilled Rueda wine. You can see the pictures of what we eat in the Food forum. In fact, I'm about to post our Easter Day dinner.
 
Best period of my life for music maybe, I enjoyed Joy Division a lot then New Order, Sex pistols, The Clashes, then Simple Mind, Depeche Mode, Cure to name the most famous.

Joy Division was so badly reccorded with that cave sound any hifi was okay with it !

Many of them came to play concerts in Southern California. Hollywood, Huntington Beach... saw some bands before they were biggly famous at small places like Cal State Fullerton, in a small lounge with maybe 200 people in it...

The Palladium and the Whiskey A Go Go in Hollywood.... yikes...

I used to live a couple of blocks from The Cuckoo's Nest in Costa Mesa. At nights when they opened the back door I could hear the sound ( music? ) from my bedroom. Met my wife at a New Wave club. "Hey babe, you wanna dance?" and the rest is history. A love story only Frank Zappa could have dreamt.

Ever heard of KROQ?

It was an awesome time... indeed.

Then came Micheal Jackson, rap and the Compact Disc.... the World Ended, yours truly got married and hung the Lounge Lizard Act.
 
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@Ro808 ,

Audio Note UK... I can see why each passive parts are there o the pcb, from the carbon comp resistor, to Ero mkt yellow cap, Jenzen copper output ones, BlackGate N serie near the dac chip (the did too with AD1862 I like better), Traffos, BG standard caps and over resistors.... parts matter and it is not cheap, although it can be because it is not always about exotic but the rigth part where it is needed according the rest of the active's... I have found in my DAC journey as enthusiast... There will be a guy at ASR will tell youu he can hear the disto of a 20R serie carbon film resistor and you live better with a Dale RN55, lol ! Yes for the numbers on the screen, wonder if those guys really listen to music... Okay nasty, can't resist !
 
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My first DAC was a Yamaha CD player.

In '83.

At first I was impressed, but soon I stopped listening to music.... it took me a while to realize that CD were tiring to listen to, whereas the old Dual with the Grado cartridge were good for hours of listening.

Audio Note. Yes indeed, their parts are not necessarily nuts -well, they do have caps and what not- but it's the LABOR they use to listen and match things. I know for a fact because when one of my amps threw DC and blew the woofer from one of my little AN K/LX speakers, I had to have both woofers and a bunch of parts replaced in the crossovers... OK, so I did get the upgraded woofers, and the system sounds better, but. but, it co$$t some $eriou$ money and almost three months of time.
 
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The best CD player I bought in the 80s was a Linn LP12 with Ittok tonearm. I forget the MC on it... but it sounded really good... I still have it, only now it's got a bunch of new stuff... the only thing that's original is the base, dust cover and Target stand. Other than that, it's the same I've had since '90. ;-)

The Yamaha bit the dustbin like eons ago.

The Philips CD players were supposed to be some of the best mainstream sounding units, i heard them. Didn't byte. I eventually got a Sony ES unit... years later I got a Sony EP9ES for surround sound processing... this was sometime in the mid 90s. By then the sound was MUCH better. But by then I also had a CJ preamp with phono stage....

I still have the EP9ES. For 2 channel stereo it's pretty good. I use a cheap Blue Ray Sony player I got from Costco for 80 bucks. Use the coax connection.

The issue with the Cheap Chinese DACs is that they are built cheaply. I've lost of couple of them because they used micro USB connectors and those things break. The latest use USB-C and that seems to be more robust. IMHO, USB A and B are the best connectors for audio, but I guess they are more expensive?

BTW- I posted our Easter Dinner pictures in the food thread.
 
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inexpensive DIY
I recently needed a cheap soundbar to connect to a TV box, I had absolutely no desire to invest money in it. I remembered an old cheap 5USD board with DAC PCM2704 (like at attach), powered it through a TPS7A2033, replaced a couple of capacitors, added an active oscillator and was surprised that even this crap can sound much more than it's price. The price of upgrade is less than DACs price, but the result is much bigger than the whole cost.
 

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