And what did we buy today?

Apart Champ - One

Greetings,

So I bought this today - paid $60 AUS ($43 US) so couldn't resist. Sold as untested and I want to check it over before I connect it to anything. Finding it hard to find a service manual, can anyone help / point me in the right direction?

Much appreciated

Cheers
Q
 

Attachments

  • Apart a.jpg
    Apart a.jpg
    552.9 KB · Views: 154
  • Apart b.jpg
    Apart b.jpg
    836.9 KB · Views: 157
Let me dig the hole a little deeper. The unit I bought about 5 years ago has been a joy. 50dB quiet, energy efficient and quality cleaning. I am sad you have not had the same luck. Just as I am sad J-P has had such bad luck with the Dyson brand.

I bought a Bosch dishwasher about 4 years ago, it gets a lot of use and cleans well, it is also extraordinarily quiet. It was expensive. I would buy another.
 
JP seems to feel about XXXXX how I feel about Honda.

Hi, I don't know about Honda except their excellent motorcycles in the past. I do know of some German car brands of perceived quality beloved by tech guys. As some of them say:"there is always something expensive that needs to be replaced and then we have something to talk about". Then, pointing at my tiny French car, "there you have the reason you don't get **** in Germany".

Who said Germans don't know humor? 🙂
 
Last edited:
I bought a Bosch dishwasher about 4 years ago, it gets a lot of use and cleans well, it is also extraordinarily quiet. It was expensive. I would buy another.

Bosch drill(s) started it all.. over engineered, both of them.. lion batteries going well.. after 10+ years of abuse (now has tile adhesive, paint etc all over it). The SDS 2kg corded drill has done everything I've asked except breaking large concrete slab. A cheapie 25MJ breaker solved the issue and the SDS works like a scalpel. Cored a 150mm hole for the cooker hood too with just the little SDS. The builder said that most of the time a simple 5Kg cheapie works, then if it lasts a few jobs they can simply replace it. More cost effective.

Bosch Dishwasher, then when the washing machine needed replacing came the Bosch washing machine.. the fridge.. the oven, gas hob, .. cooker hood, and the boiler.

Not really had a problem with any of them. Except the 5+ y/o boiler had a leak that was repaired.. so it's not likely to be the first to fail..

Helps using Calgon in the washing machine and a dishwasher cleaner a couple of times a year. The plumber that came to do the kitchen refit was gobsmacked - he thought the dishwasher was only a year or so old.. not about 4 or 5..

Even the engine management system in the car and auto gearbox control is Bosch. It's a French car (Pug 3008).

They're a bit like the apple of the goods world, you pay a little more and it seems to just work reliably.

Pity Bosch don't need a CTO/CIO 😀


A friend had an Audi but seemed to have no end of electrical issues with it. I think they work on the model of - replace the whole component rather than have just another failure from a patch. I looked at Audi and Merc but in the end figured spending that ££ on what is really a 3 year car didn't make sense. Only got the pug as we were planning a family at the time but it's an easy drive. Last car I had 12 years.
 
Last edited:
SDS... I bought an SDS drill at Aldi at least 15 years ago. It is the only one I have that never fails and I used it on granite etc. It has a pejorative name to give it its deserved status. It is the only tool everyone can borrow provided the borrower uses the correct name. I got it back with oil coming out, overheated but it still does everything it should do. Amazing.
 
Last edited:
Cal, on the Bosch dishwashers,
Yes Tony we use the same method of cleansing the dishwasher as you. Not sure it's necessary though. We have such soft water here. Vinegar is fine, coarse salt is fine. We don't use any specialty cleaners either.
I bought a Bosch dishwasher about 4 years ago, it gets a lot of use and cleans well, it is also extraordinarily quiet. It was expensive. I would buy another.
I was lucky enough to have my old one give up the ghost just as they were clearing out last years model at the local store. Had no intention of waiting for a sale, it just happened.
 
True, the generators are so good that they are copied. I got a nasty surprise with Bosch electric lawnmowers. These nowadays use belt drives (WHY?) and after only a few weeks of moderate use the belt came through the casing with a loud bang. Series problem, again. Contrary to the dishwashers also irreparable as everything plastic broke and the belt residue was between the bearings.

BTW I am taught that natural vinegar is detrimental for the rubber as used in dishwashers/washing machines and therefor use the special stuff that is sold here. Quite aggressive as the stainless steel parts shine like new after having used that stuff. The "green" habit of washing at 20 degrees with fluid detergent is detrimental for sure.
 
Last edited:
Yesterday I had written about my poor experience with the Jonard DP-100 solder suckers. I had sent a report to their company and detailed what the problem was and the fact I was very dissatisfied.

To their credit, I received an email today where they apologized for the poor experience I had, and stated they are sending a pair of replacement DP-100 solder suckers. I did not request replacements, they offered them.

I don't know what to expect from the replacement units. Possibly they had a bad production run with them? I don't know. In any case, I will use the new ones and report on them. I will say that the company did stand behind the product and I absolutely cannot fault them for that. I am impressed.

Additionally, I ordered a pair of real Edsyn DS017 from Newark yesterday, early afternoon. They arrived today around 3 PM and at very reasonable shipping cost. I am blown away that they arrived so quickly, shipping was about $13 CAN. I think that with Digikey discontinuing so many components (carbon composition resistors and axial capacitors), and who knows how much more, I will be giving Newark a try. Too bad they don't have Digikey's excellent component selector.

-Chris
 
To their credit,
Similar here Chris. During a house move, a part went missing for a food processor. I contacted them, updated my address and asked they send the invoice to the new place (circa 2005). No response. About the time I was getting pissed at them, the part showed up with a note saying 'thank you for contacting Oster with your concern, allow us to help if you need anything else'.

We're talking a machine that had to be 5 years old or more at that point. Parts they could have charged 30 or 40 bucks for plus tax and shipping. Too bad they are rather scarce around here. Best food processor I ever owned.
 
I use the AS196 model (antistatic). I used the DS017 previously and was quite happy with it but figured when working on SS it wouldn't hurt to use the antistatic version.

Purchased two quarts of Spar Varnish to reseal the camper. Now rain is coming in so I covered it back up.
 
I worked at a small engine shop while Honda had a recall on their motors... The exhaust cam would wear off because the metal wasn't hard enough so after 5 hours of running it wouldn't open the exhaust valve.

Honda: Had one, never did again.

Give me German cars any day 😀

Even compared to a Hyundai, a Honda is overpriced junk IMHO.
 
Hey Cal,
Now there is another class act. All the advertising in the world can never be as effective as that.

I've had Oster products before and they had been very good. I might still have one, but it is something Anita would have used much more than me. I wouldn't know in other words. Debbie is also a good cook, and she has her equipment that she swears by. I just back out of the kitchen slowly and leave her to it. 🙂
 
Purchased two quarts of Spar Varnish to reseal the camper. Now rain is coming in so I covered it back up.

When I saw the tear drop, I admit I smiled. Looks like you guys did it right last weekend, especially the Gimp food. Make your trailer proud my friend, she deserves to look pretty. I noticed there were 11 of the 12 of you in the pic so that puts you behind the camera?
 
Hi kodabmx,
I love BMW's, not so impressed my the others from Germany. Debbie has a VW thing that seems to be very good. Handles very well, better than the Toyota we tried (little sport-ute).

I generally drive GM products and have had very good experiences with them. I have a 2011 Malibu LT platinum that I like so much, I rebuilt the suspension a few years ago. Handles like brand new. Not rusty, goes reasonably fast and handles better than most other cars do. I tend to speed in it and it is really a joy to drive. Air conditioner - meh. It works okay, but the VW is much better.

I have owned others like Fords and Chryslers in the past. Our family is in the car business and my brother owns a large, cross border auto dealership, so I see everything. If money were no object, I would very much like to have a BMW 740 (maybe 750) and GM Suburban or similar. My needs are simple! 🙂

Edit:
It's a Tiguan and she tried a RAV4
 
My dad has a 1999 Buick that has only about 150,000km on it. It still goes but he's done the head gaskets, the ac compressor 3 times etc.

My thing with GM was that at the time my dad had a Buick with a 2.8L that put out 112 HP, VW had a 2.8L that made 172 HP. GM stayed in the stone age for as long as they could get away with it. Older Fords just fell apart, and I wouldn't take a Chrysler (or any of their brands) for free. I feel they make the worst cars in the world and would very much rather drive a Lada.

This is 1980's/1990's I'm mainly talking about. GM has stepped up their game but just recalled every Chevy Bolt ever made and they want to blame LG instead of themselves.

GM used to tend to go forever but handle like crap and waste fuel. VW used to go forever and almost anyone could fix it. You could bolt 1998 shocks/struts into a 1985 VW. Honda redesigned the entire car every four years so "scrap yard upgrades" weren't a thing. Driving the water pump with the timing belt just pisses me off. But the engine did tend to go on forever even if the body turned to dust around it. 😀

Now it's just a terrible car to try and see out of (Civic). The A pillars are huge, the dash board looks like a slot machine, and the sight lines to the rear are worse than a van.

For me, It's VW or BMW (rather than Audi) but failing that Subaru or Toyota perhaps... I will give props to Honda for making a 1.8L 16V engine that I could lift and carry as a complete engine (Aluminum block and head). VW used iron for ages because it was a bulletproof engine. Cedarbrae VW (RIP) actually used to offer "stage 7" tuning on the 1.8T. Stock it was 150HP but if you paid, you could have 485HP _with factory warranty!!!_ in the late 90's. That block was hardly different than the block in the JH from 1983.
 
Last edited:
I grew up with air cooled VWs, the last one I had from that brand was well over 20 years ago.
I wasn’t impressed with the cost saving measure of riveting the ring gears to the final drive in the second generation Golf.
When they failed, it sent the whole thing out the bottom of the transmission, no rebuilding that.

I buy used Toyotas nowadays, but had been finding older, damaged ones to repair for about a ten year stretch. That reduced car costs to next to nothing.