Haha glad to help! Yeah exactly, the CAD is designed for 10CL51 + CDX14-3050. I'm afraid you're going to have to create a cutsheet yourself since we didn't use one.
I don't know what kind of CNC-tools your machinist have, but I needed to sand/file my TAP quite a lot by hand to get a good shape. This is how mine looked right after the CNC:
And here is the final result after lots of sanding:
Nice! Sent the pictures and your comment to my guy. Two aluminium throat plates coming up 😁
Read your previous post and now I am so scared to be disappointed because of my hype 😅🙏
What amps and dsp are you using 🤔
The build for me will be in sealed mdf due to Russia.
Are you planning to fill and sand screwheads/holes? Curious on how it affects sound 🤔
Read your previous post and now I am so scared to be disappointed because of my hype 😅🙏
What amps and dsp are you using 🤔
The build for me will be in sealed mdf due to Russia.
Are you planning to fill and sand screwheads/holes? Curious on how it affects sound 🤔
Awesome! The DSP is an Outline Genius 6 and the SynTripPs are powered by a LAB Gruppen 1000 and a Crown XLS 402. I actually got the DSP and amps in question for free from a local resturant that was shutting down haha. I've also got a Behringer NX6000 for the subs.
Nah, I don't think so. I was actually planning on filling the holes earlier since they bothered me a lot, but after applying some paint I could barely even spot them anymore and decided to just leave them as is.
First of all:
Thanks all users here for sharing their knowledge in this awesome thread!
I am thinking of building a SyntripP too, but i would like to change from 90° to 60° horizontal dispersion, because i want to use them at home and want to make sure, that i reduce some more side reflexion's.
Is this a problem as long as i make sure that the reflex port's will have the same size in mm²
Another question:
Why ist the Front part widen the angle and not staying the same angle? Just because of the size?
Thanks a lot and greeting to the community
Christian
Thanks all users here for sharing their knowledge in this awesome thread!
I am thinking of building a SyntripP too, but i would like to change from 90° to 60° horizontal dispersion, because i want to use them at home and want to make sure, that i reduce some more side reflexion's.
Is this a problem as long as i make sure that the reflex port's will have the same size in mm²
Another question:
Why ist the Front part widen the angle and not staying the same angle? Just because of the size?
Thanks a lot and greeting to the community
Christian
Hi
I have found the 90° SketchUp version in the 3D Warhouse and changed it to 60°... would it be OK?
I know: volume and ports will not fitt 100%, but it will be EQ'd by a DSP and it will be driven 100% active.
Maybe i could also scale it in depth to make it larger?!
What do you think?
SketchUp
Christian
I have found the 90° SketchUp version in the 3D Warhouse and changed it to 60°... would it be OK?
I know: volume and ports will not fitt 100%, but it will be EQ'd by a DSP and it will be driven 100% active.
Maybe i could also scale it in depth to make it larger?!
What do you think?
SketchUp
Christian
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And an additional Top View, to show the differences. Depth is almost the same, port lenght should be the same, just the size is a little bit smaller, but i coul enlarge them easy.
Question is: is this realistic, that i will end up in good results, or should i leave the design on 90°?
I am happy about any tip and help 😉
Because i just want to use them at home, i don't need 120dB spl... is it maybe better to forget the port's and make a sealed box?
Thx a lot
Christian
Question is: is this realistic, that i will end up in good results, or should i leave the design on 90°?
I am happy about any tip and help 😉
Because i just want to use them at home, i don't need 120dB spl... is it maybe better to forget the port's and make a sealed box?
Thx a lot
Christian
And one more with a different flare horn and more volume for the 10". This way volume for the 10" is ~same as it is in the original SyntripP.
And the reflex ports have ~ the same cm².
Greetings
Christian
And the reflex ports have ~ the same cm².
Greetings
Christian
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Did you consider something smaller?
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/small-syns.292379/
Why would you want to spend so much money on a speaker that was constructed for high SPL use if you will only listen to them at room levels?
Also, take a look at the off-axis angles of the SynTripp: I would not be sure if these speakers are the right choice in small rooms.
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/small-syns.292379/
Why would you want to spend so much money on a speaker that was constructed for high SPL use if you will only listen to them at room levels?
Also, take a look at the off-axis angles of the SynTripp: I would not be sure if these speakers are the right choice in small rooms.
Hi
Thx for reply.
Size: I have a large living Room… I am sitting 6 meters away from the speakers and have another 10 meter space behind me. I also have 4 meters ceiling height… why do you think the SyntripP will not fit?
In the picture you can see HP9040, but I have changed to HP6040 with better results.
Cost: compared to other high End Speakers, this is cheap. And I already have some Compression drivers (TAD4001\TAD4002) so I only need the 10“
What do you think about my idea to change the 90 degrees to 60?
I will take a look o the other thread!
Thx a lot.
Christian
Thx for reply.
Size: I have a large living Room… I am sitting 6 meters away from the speakers and have another 10 meter space behind me. I also have 4 meters ceiling height… why do you think the SyntripP will not fit?
In the picture you can see HP9040, but I have changed to HP6040 with better results.
Cost: compared to other high End Speakers, this is cheap. And I already have some Compression drivers (TAD4001\TAD4002) so I only need the 10“
What do you think about my idea to change the 90 degrees to 60?
I will take a look o the other thread!
Thx a lot.
Christian
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Acoustically, though large for a European living room, it is still a small room. In acoustically small rooms, the dispersion characteristics of a speaker are very important, as the early reflections will contribute significantly to the overall timber. For a PA speaker that are meant to be used in clubs or warehouses, which tend to be beyond the criterion of a small acoustic room, dispersion control is meant to focus sound energy to the dance floor. Take a look at the SynTripp’s off-axis curves and you will see that the crossover point introduce multiple areas where the dispersion pattern is uneven. I an acoustically small room, this will permanently contribute to overall timber at any given listening position, whereas on the dance floor, this only perceived relative to position as mild EQ.
Not sure if you can just swap in your TAD drivers.
Not sure if you can just swap in your TAD drivers.
Hi
It seems in deed, that the small syns in your Link have a better polar pattern!
TAD: of course i need to change the throat adapter.
Crossover: i am using FourAudio DSP's with FIR filtering... i think this should work.
Greetings
Christian
I know, that's why i use Horns 😉
It seems in deed, that the small syns in your Link have a better polar pattern!
TAD: of course i need to change the throat adapter.
Crossover: i am using FourAudio DSP's with FIR filtering... i think this should work.
Greetings
Christian
Christian,
Considering that you prefer the HP6040 to the HP9040, and both horns have more consistent polar patterns than the SynTripP, my suggestion would be to add four B&C NDF34 4" drivers to the HP6040 throat. I prefer the sound of the 4" mids in the 300-1000 Hz range to the 10"mid/large format compression driver combination.
Four sealed NDF34 on the HP6040 may allow a low enough crossover point at home listening levels to eliminate the low mid cabinets you are using.
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/syn-9-a-change-in-direction.375161/
The EV HP6040/B&CNDF34 should have a much lower Fc than mark100's single section 90 x 75 MEH above.
Art
Hi Art
Thx for your reply.
Do you think the 4" will go down to ~80Hz at -3db?
The Bass i am using is directly in front of me, and i want to make sure, that crossover is low enough to make sure, that i don't here the position.
Any alternative, if the 4" is not enough?
At the moment i am crossing the Top at 600Hz to the MidBass and 90Hz to the Bass. All with 24dB/octave
Thx a lot
Christian
Thx for your reply.
Do you think the 4" will go down to ~80Hz at -3db?
The Bass i am using is directly in front of me, and i want to make sure, that crossover is low enough to make sure, that i don't here the position.
Any alternative, if the 4" is not enough?
At the moment i am crossing the Top at 600Hz to the MidBass and 90Hz to the Bass. All with 24dB/octave
Thx a lot
Christian
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There are a couple of tradeoffs with your proposal. First, you’re making the box smaller, which means pattern isn’t controlled as low. Art’s design is 86 degrees horizontal with a 41” mouth width, which gives pattern control down to ~240hz (calculated, not measured). Going down to 600mm/~23” mouth width at the same 86 degree horizontal goes up nearly an octave, controlling horizontal pattern to ~400hz.
Second, if you narrow horizontal angle to 60 degrees while keeping the mouth width constant at 600mm, you now only get pattern control down to ~525hz. The narrower the pattern, the larger the mouth has to be to maintain the same level of pattern control.
I’m personally planning on keeping closer to 90 degrees horizontal for my large living room. As you know, pattern width is a matter of preference, with some liking the very wide 140 degree pattern of a tower, like the Salon2, or the “narrow” 120 degree M2, and on down to quite narrow. But there are tradeoffs to horn size vs pattern. I would like to control horizontal pattern down to ~300hz if I can handle the size.
Hi Yourmando
I have lots of windows, not so many furnitures and wooden floor... so many reflexions. And i love a very stable 3D imaging Soundstage... thats why i prefer the HP6040 a little bit against the HP9040.
Thx
Christian
Still have problems how to calculate this... but that makes clear, why the EV HP6040 has very low pattern control 😉
You are completely right!
I have lots of windows, not so many furnitures and wooden floor... so many reflexions. And i love a very stable 3D imaging Soundstage... thats why i prefer the HP6040 a little bit against the HP9040.
Thx
Christian