It certainly is. I'm familiar with several applications, in RCF PA cabs and have listened to 3 pairs of Blumenhofers with the ND850 >RCF ND850 seems to be a good choice too.
https://josephcrowe.com/blogs/news/rcf-nd850-2-0-compression-driver?_pos=1&_sid=d61187ee6&_ss=r
it's his preferred mid-size compression driver. However, these were all 1.4" versions, which also seems to measure slightly better.
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Do you also have experience with those coaxial compression drivers?
But the DCX354 is too new to find listening impression...
The distortion measured in voice coil shows slightly lower distortion on DCX464?
The DCX464 has been used in many project in this form with very good result.The crossover between its two ways could be a bit tricky.
I don't like its HD performance shown in the Voice-Coil measurements. But maybe this is made-up by the fact that it is a two-way driver which should give it an advantage regarding IMD. I am convinced that this is the case at very loud PA evels. But does it still have this advantage over a single high-quality driver at (even loud) domestic levels ? Hard to judge without hearing it.
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Charles
But the DCX354 is too new to find listening impression...
The distortion measured in voice coil shows slightly lower distortion on DCX464?
Did they cross over 8kHz with another driver to avoid the resonance shown in CSD?It certainly is. I'm familiar with several applications, in RCF PA cabs and have listened to 3 pairs of Blumenhofers with the ND850 >
it's his preferred mid-size compression driver. However, these were all 1.4" versions, which also seems to measure slightly better.
Or it's actually not that audible
Yes, it does. And a slightly less bumpy amplitude response.The distortion measured in voice coil shows slightly lower distortion on DCX464?
Faital HF140 will work to 500 at lower power. They give power ratings to 650. https://faitalpro.com/en/products/HF_Drivers/product_details/index.php?id=502020150to return to the best compression driver thread , is someone have tried the Big 18sound 4015N driver , i"m still in the search for a driver to cross near 400/500hz , other candidates are B&C DCX464 , B&C DCM50 , BMS 4592 ...
No, strictly 2 way...Did they cross over 8kHz with another driver to avoid the resonance shown in CSD?
Or it's actually not that audible
The Blumenhofers are among the best speakers I've listened to, regardless of price.
The 2x220s were head and shoulders above the rest at the latest local high-end show. Still not perfect due to pattern flip and the 'handover' between the waveformer and radial horn, but in terms of imaging and naturalness from a different, more advanced universe, compared to the Magicos for example. The only system that succeeded with flying colors in 'teleporting' the listener to the band and vice versa.
ND850 1.4:
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Hi guys,
I just tested several Elliptical OS horn, I have never use them before:
Here are what I found vs biradial horn that i normally use:
1. Ellliptical has much smoother freq response but earlier roll off and steeper slope in the high. Need more eq to fix
2. Biradial has jagged freq response, not as smooth, but the roll off is latter and less steep than elliptical. Less eq to fix.
Can someone tell why this happens?
Any horn design that have both characteristics? \
Thanks
I just tested several Elliptical OS horn, I have never use them before:
Here are what I found vs biradial horn that i normally use:
1. Ellliptical has much smoother freq response but earlier roll off and steeper slope in the high. Need more eq to fix
2. Biradial has jagged freq response, not as smooth, but the roll off is latter and less steep than elliptical. Less eq to fix.
Can someone tell why this happens?
Any horn design that have both characteristics? \
Thanks
OS=CD so it exhibits the usual roll-off past ca. 8 Khz.Hi guys,
I just tested several Elliptical OS horn, I have never use them before:
Here are what I found vs biradial horn that i normally use:
1. Ellliptical has much smoother freq response but earlier roll off and steeper slope in the high. Need more eq to fix
2. Biradial has jagged freq response, not as smooth, but the roll off is latter and less steep than elliptical. Less eq to fix.
Can someone tell why this happens?
Any horn design that have both characteristics? \
Thanks
The horn path + mouth termination of most biradial horns are less smooth, which results in a (more) ragged response.
In addition, the horn is more efficient in the highest octaves due to a gradual expansion of the wavefront.
Never had DCM50s, but have listened to a system featuring the driver.do you have some mesure of the B&C DCM50 when you had it ?
I liked it, but it's not perfect.
You might want to read this thread.
@juanitox
https://josephcrowe.com/blogs/news/b-c-fb464-16-passive-crossover-test?_pos=2&_sid=10296a9ac&_ss=r
I guess you might be interested in this also.
DCM414 is basically the DCX464's MF part so I think it can correlate.
https://josephcrowe.com/blogs/news/b-c-fb464-16-passive-crossover-test?_pos=2&_sid=10296a9ac&_ss=r
I guess you might be interested in this also.
DCM414 is basically the DCX464's MF part so I think it can correlate.
The Blumenhofers are among the best speakers I've listened to, regardless of price.
I have the same experience with them. Now I'm wondering why they do not sound like they are significantly lacking HF... last time I checked, I hear well up to around 15-16khz so why am I not missing anything when listening to speakers that roll off after 8khz? Is response above 10k overrated? Or is it just me?
Not worrying about HF too much makes choosing a CD for my 2-way design plans much easier...
i think it is even a better mid as there is not the same bump in the 5K region seems more flat too@juanitox
https://josephcrowe.com/blogs/news/b-c-fb464-16-passive-crossover-test?_pos=2&_sid=10296a9ac&_ss=r
I guess you might be interested in this also.
DCM414 is basically the DCX464's MF part so I think it can correlate.
DCM414
DCX464
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I have the same experience with them. Now I'm wondering why they do not sound like they are significantly lacking HF... last time I checked, I hear well up to around 15-16khz so why am I not missing anything when listening to speakers that roll off after 8khz? Is response above 10k overrated? Or is it just me?
Not worrying about HF too much makes choosing a CD for my 2-way design plans much easier...
The horn sections of BH speakers are (passively) corrected, so there's hardly any drop in the top octave. 2 examples:
what is the adavantages or cons between mid ring compression and traditional dome compresion drivers for mid ?
And asymmetry of course.In addition, the horn is more efficient in the highest octaves due to a gradual expansion of the wavefront.
Good question. Tbh I prefer traditional dome comp. drivers, just like I prefer traditional dome tweeters to annular tweets > which were hyped about 15 years ago.what is the adavantages or cons between mid ring compression and traditional dome compresion drivers for mid ?
@Ro808 are those measurements of Blumenhofer speakers? If so, what model?
And if they are corrected, is still "breakup territory" is that not an issue?
In other words, when using DSP, is there any reason to not use a large format CD? Would the highs of a 1" still be better then those of a 2", or would you not be able to tell the difference once EQ'ed ?
@juanitox Also interesting question
And if they are corrected, is still "breakup territory" is that not an issue?
In other words, when using DSP, is there any reason to not use a large format CD? Would the highs of a 1" still be better then those of a 2", or would you not be able to tell the difference once EQ'ed ?
@juanitox Also interesting question
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