Is there suggested wood type or the type one should avoid?
Birch plywood is excellent and not too expensive.
I'd avoid solid wood as it's less structurally stable.
That is not what I am saying.
Once a companies engineering expertise and quality control reaches the highest levels, the differences in sound quality are insignificant.
This is not true of all manufacturers, PAudio comes to mind and many others. I've tried dozens of drivers and only ones at the top work for me, but there are several at the top and price is not a factor.
Thank you for further clarifying your position and apologies if I unintentionally misrepresented your thought.
My intention was fundamentally to express agreement on the fact that system and crossover design are the more important factors.
The psychoacoustic test are on my side.
I respectfully disagree that those psychoacoustic tests are conclusive enough on the matter.
But "close enough" for most (statistically speaking)... sure.
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There is no demonstrable advantage that they are providing to justify the higher costs, and seems like their drivers are the same as 30 years ago. TAD had a reputation for top quality engineering and products but looks like development of CDs stopped many years ago. This is my opinion and I'm sure the folks at TAD are doing their best.
What CNC shop are you talking about? I have been looking for such thing for a while.The CNC shop in China is carzy affordable. I've contact one store and he said he'd made the horn before and he also shows the product picture to me.
Maybe I'll order one someday...
Major concern would be the wood selection. Is there suggested wood type or the type one should avoid?
Picture below is the product from seller.
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I'm doing 500-20kHz in my own system and it sounds superb... ;-)
I see the temptation of a : "living room acts as a horn" , lol ! 🙂
Randomly searching on Taobao that states 3D wood CNC capability.What CNC shop are you talking about? I have been looking for such thing for a while.
There's at least 3 with short search last time so I think there's quite a few shops capable of doing the work.
Not sure how the final product quality would be though...
Btw, is there a lot of Taobao choice in Taiwan as well ? would be wize though to CNC local with local trees and local short distance transportation for some evident reasons.
I think shop in Taiwan seldom sell on Taobao. However I do try to find CNC shop / enclosure manufacturer here in Taiwan before.
Enclosure manufacturer that can do more complex shape has high quality...but the price is also much much higher compare to Taobao.
The CNC shop doesn't reply after first few conversation...
So I was surprised to find shop on Taobao that's willing to accept the order. But it seems this kind of shop (capable of 3D CNC) is quite occupied.
I ask as the beginning of May and the shop owner said the following 2 months is fully occupied. Let me to ask them 2 months later.
Enclosure manufacturer that can do more complex shape has high quality...but the price is also much much higher compare to Taobao.
The CNC shop doesn't reply after first few conversation...
So I was surprised to find shop on Taobao that's willing to accept the order. But it seems this kind of shop (capable of 3D CNC) is quite occupied.
I ask as the beginning of May and the shop owner said the following 2 months is fully occupied. Let me to ask them 2 months later.
..China CNC:
1. Make sure the wood milled doesn’t use nasty glues.
2. Make sure that the shipping cost is reasonable for the project.
3. Make sure that their machines will accept your CAD file of choice and generate perfect g-code from that file.
1. Make sure the wood milled doesn’t use nasty glues.
2. Make sure that the shipping cost is reasonable for the project.
3. Make sure that their machines will accept your CAD file of choice and generate perfect g-code from that file.
Nothing is ever conclusive if you don't want to believe it. But suit yourself.I respectfully disagree that those psychoacoustic tests are conclusive enough on the matter.
I agree with all that...China CNC:
1. Make sure the wood milled doesn’t use nasty glues.
2. Make sure that the shipping cost is reasonable for the project.
3. Make sure that their machines will accept your CAD file of choice and generate perfect g-code from that file.
Having spent far more than the norm in China it was not always easy to deal with. But last year I had the chance to make a very large order of glass chandalers directly from China and once everything was clear on both ends (and that is certainly getting better) the prices, customer care and workmanship were all excellent. You just have to remember that things are not always understood in the same ways.
It took me a second to understand this, as I thought you were speaking of all compression drivers, but you mean the 4003, 2002 specifically. Right?1990s for the improved 4003 and 2002) as having been directed at trying to approach the same level of performance while cutting costs as much as possible.
IME modern PA drivers, including compression, have mostly been pushing the power handling specs. Drivers handle so much more power than they use to. Does that make them sound better? Yes - better than a blown driver. 😛 But when not abused I haven't found a lot that sound better than good 1950s drivers.
Perhaps. But having heard lot of speakers, including yours, I have my doubts. A lot of people don't notice much - in audio as well as in general.The psychoacoustic test are on my side.
If anyone wishes to clone/approach Yamamoto Soundcraft's 1" horn (SS-300) which is used with the B&C DE500 in the YS-500 2 way (open back)...


Docali's 1" Neile horn is definitely a cheaper alternative and just as good, with wider dispersion > 90x40 versus 70x30.
Prototype with Faital HF108 (the horn has since undergone improvements):





Docali's 1" Neile horn is definitely a cheaper alternative and just as good, with wider dispersion > 90x40 versus 70x30.
Prototype with Faital HF108 (the horn has since undergone improvements):



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Yup, no reason not to go with China as long as you get what you need at an overall good price unless it's something that's under (product category) a heavy import tariff.Having spent far more than the norm in China it was not always easy to deal with. But last year I had the chance to make a very large order of glass chandalers directly from China and once everything was clear on both ends (and that is certainly getting better) the prices, customer care and workmanship were all excellent. You just have to remember that things are not always understood in the same ways.
Here's a strange import for me recently:
-looked around local and US for a good hobbyist welding table-top, cheapest *decent solution in the US was about $390 (including tax + shipping) and taking a couple of weeks to arrive. Checked International sources (China was a no-go because of shipping) and believe it or not I ended-up with a slightly thicker (better) top from England that was around $270 shipped AND it included my State's tax and currency conversion. Yeah, ENGLAND - and it arrived within 5 days. How can my local source with minimal shipping expenses be almost double the cost of what I can get from England, while also taking longer for me to get it?

*it's all about table-top thickness and bracing to achieve a flat surface that won't warp from the heat while also being thick enough for standard tool/clamp inserts; most of the cheap stuff is worthless cr@p.
-anyway, just a weird little tangent to this thread.
Lals uses customized drivers that are manufactured locally. According to a Chinese website, the diaphragm of the 1" is formed from ultra thin (0.02mm) titanium.is it the Kartesian CMP45 ?
https://www.toutlehautparleur.com/u...rtesian-cmp45-vtlhp-8-ohm-sortie-1-pouce.html
Nothing is ever conclusive if you don't want to believe it. But suit yourself.
It's not about belief. It's all about the details and what the tests actually prove and what they don't.
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