DS Audio recently decided to open up their optical phono stage details for the world to use in order to help optical cartridges become more widely used and compatible with more preamps, etc., rather than only being compatible with DS Audio phono stages.
My first thought was that this could open up the possibility of a DS Audio cartridge + DIY optical phono preamp 🙂
Some info is published here: https://www.ds-audio-w.biz/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/EQ-infover1.02.pdf
According to this article, DS Audio is open to technical enquiries about their technology, though this may apply to manufacturers only: DS Audio is sharing its optical phono cartridge secrets for free | What Hi-Fi?
Who wants to go first? 😀
My first thought was that this could open up the possibility of a DS Audio cartridge + DIY optical phono preamp 🙂
Some info is published here: https://www.ds-audio-w.biz/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/EQ-infover1.02.pdf
According to this article, DS Audio is open to technical enquiries about their technology, though this may apply to manufacturers only: DS Audio is sharing its optical phono cartridge secrets for free | What Hi-Fi?
Who wants to go first? 😀
I would really like to see a better phono stage, it already sounds great and it is dead simple. I did change the Opamps but nothing more so far ...
The most affordable cartridge (the DS-E1) on its own is $1250, according to AMG Giro Turntable, DS Audio E1 Optical Phono Cartridge System, Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum III Integrated Amplifier, Magnepan .7 Speakers, Wireworld Cables | Stereophile.com
DS Audio DS-E1 Cartridge Lab Report | Hi-Fi News
Hmm not my idea of flat response. I wonder how much is the cart and how much the amplifier.
Too much for a plaything. I'll personally hold out for an affordable second hand panasonic strain gauge cart.
Hmm not my idea of flat response. I wonder how much is the cart and how much the amplifier.
Too much for a plaything. I'll personally hold out for an affordable second hand panasonic strain gauge cart.
Finding that a DS003 optical cartridge sounds more realistic than any magnetic type tried so far. Friends owning a collection of magnetic cartridges don't bother with them anymore, feel they are obsolete in terms of obtainable sound quality.
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Has anyone made progress?
There is 3rd party nixie at reasonable price.
https://nixiekits.eu/product.php?key=ds_audio
There is 3rd party nixie at reasonable price.
https://nixiekits.eu/product.php?key=ds_audio
I've just purchased a TRIO KE-9021 optical cartridge. I'll post any learnings in this thread.
Cheers, Mike
Cheers, Mike
I just got the DS-E1 and made single stage preamp.
My speaker has active woofer with integrated subsonic filter so I didn't build that part.
It's an interesting entry level cartridge sounds more like CD but more detail.
If budget allows would recommend 003 as I am missing the resolution from exotic stylus (shibata/sas/micro-ridge).
My speaker has active woofer with integrated subsonic filter so I didn't build that part.
It's an interesting entry level cartridge sounds more like CD but more detail.
If budget allows would recommend 003 as I am missing the resolution from exotic stylus (shibata/sas/micro-ridge).
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Kind of a harsh staement??
Some of my previous cartridges include Sumiko Palo Santos, Kiseki Blue and Blackheart, WTL Kauri, div. Ortofon Jubilee, Kontrapunkt´s amongst others.
Now playing a Goldring 920-IGC with a new DaCapo shibata stylus and missing........ absolutely nothing.
My Shure V15-IV MR also compares to most of, what I´ve had in my system, so no... old stock MM´s are very much alive😉
The prices on DS-Audio borders to fraud IMO.
Like the DS-1..... bad frequency linearity, bad tracking and more. Why on earth pay these money for a cartridge that performs
questionable at best, when you can get a MC or MM for same price or less, that outperforms it anyday?? Beyond my comprehension 😳
@2A3SET
You using the DS document on powering/EQing the cart? This is the latest one I know of: https://ds-audio-w.biz/cms/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Technical-information20221212_c.pdf
You using the DS document on powering/EQing the cart? This is the latest one I know of: https://ds-audio-w.biz/cms/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Technical-information20221212_c.pdf
I have it from a hi end audio consultant with some of the best magnetic carts in his collection. He doesn't listen to magnetic anymore. He will still help people who want them though.
Currently using a DS W3 myself that I paid fully for, just said in the interests of disclosure. Using a custom discrete preamp not from DS, also said in the interests of disclosure.
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Yeahhh..... You said it..... "High End Audio consultant" 😆
I know a couple of these. One of them is a countryman, sorry to say. Is very persuasive, when he´s giving out his pseudo babble.
First he worked for Nordost, now a proud partner at Ansuz Acousics, so bottom line, having scammed people all of his life.
These High End Audio consultants 👎
The gentleman I know is not like your guy. Let's not jump to conclusions.
Look, I'm telling you the truth. You try one of these and you will want one. When you have a chance to decide from listening then let's talk again.
Look, I'm telling you the truth. You try one of these and you will want one. When you have a chance to decide from listening then let's talk again.
Thanks for the latest doc,
I am using 20K I/V for 2nd generation cart, for 3rd generation it's 16K, otherwise I am following the DS doc except the subsonic filter since I have a hypex D-amp to power the woofer.
The internal connection of DS Audio’ s optical pickup cartridges are shown as follows.
In the 2nd generation pickup cartridges such as “DS Master1”, “DS-W2”, “DS002” and “DS-E1”, single infrared LED is used as a light source for both channel PD.
In the 3rd generation pickup cartridges such as “Grand Master” and “DS003”, separated infrared LEDs are used as light source for each channel PD individually.
As a result, output signal from the 3rd generation pickup cartridges is boosted against that of the 2nd generation.
If you would like to optimize your phono equalizer for the 2nd generation pickup cartridges, additional gain would be desirable.
(For example, replace 16k ohm bias resistors to 20k ohm in fig. 2.)
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I got sick and tired of audiophiles telling me what is supposed to be good. I forced my shure vm15 type 2 to sound similar to CD version of LP. The cart and preamp now sounds like a quiet MC cart.
Same thing for IPhone and FM signals.
Same thing for IPhone and FM signals.
Do you mean FM radio? If so, here is what radio stations do to process audio: https://www.steampoweredradio.com/pdf/orban/orban optimod fm 8200brochure/Orban Optimod-FM 8200 Brochure.pdf
If CDs, vinyl, and FM all sound the same, seems very odd.
EDIT: Regarding taking advice from audiophiles, most of them are not technical nor are they skilled listeners. I wouldn't just take advice from most of them either, although I might check with someone I know is reliable 🙂
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Not much information around on this Trio photo-electric cartridge, so I thought it best to track down the matching preamplifier (KA-9021) to reverse-engineer it. I have just bought one ex-Japan and waiting on delivery.
Cheers, Mike
The KA-9021 turned up. It was listed as "won't power up" but I suspected that it would only power up with the cartridge connected.
Sure 'nuff, it works! The KA-9021 is different from the Supreme 20 in that it is designed to be connected to a MM phono input with RIAA EQ rather than a line input.
The circuit is thus quite complex; I'll post some photos soon, and measure some voltages.
Sure 'nuff, it works! The KA-9021 is different from the Supreme 20 in that it is designed to be connected to a MM phono input with RIAA EQ rather than a line input.
The circuit is thus quite complex; I'll post some photos soon, and measure some voltages.
This TRIO KE-9021 optical cartridge is turning out more interesting/challenging than anticipated - after I bought one very recently.
The most interesting is the bias voltage for the cartridge - various electret condenser/electrostatic cartridges have B+ 9V supplied trough the right channel "ground" wire, DS Audio optical cartridges have the same, but B+ 5V ...
I am quite surprised the KA-9021 is a device that feeds the normal MM phono input with RIAA EQ and not the line stage - this appears like degradation of the ultimately achievable sound quality traded for broader compatibility.
I am really awaiting any info on the KA-9021 circuit/photos/measured voltages with bated breath !
The most interesting is the bias voltage for the cartridge - various electret condenser/electrostatic cartridges have B+ 9V supplied trough the right channel "ground" wire, DS Audio optical cartridges have the same, but B+ 5V ...
I am quite surprised the KA-9021 is a device that feeds the normal MM phono input with RIAA EQ and not the line stage - this appears like degradation of the ultimately achievable sound quality traded for broader compatibility.
I am really awaiting any info on the KA-9021 circuit/photos/measured voltages with bated breath !