While confidence in our abilities is natural a civilization with those capabilities is likely at the risk level of a full carrier group facing tribal canoes. Guessing orders of magnitude less.
There'd be also a high risk of cross-contamination. Imagine them ripping a fart and wiping out all life on Earth with some sort of bacteria ("oops!"). Or carry a nice present from us back home, in one of their orifices. Jokes aside that's a real possibility. Even we think about that when sending robots to Mars. I think we (are trying to) sterilize everything we send there.
Sorry, but this is pure metaphysical conjecture. If we cast out the scientific and statistical analysis and the example of how life developed on our planet, we are left with absolute nonsense - not the other way around as you suggest. We know very, very well what it takes to develop multicellular life: 2.5 billion yrs, photosynthesis, a complete change in atmospheric makeup - these things all critically dependent upon the geology of the planet, the perfect positioning of the Earth, the Sun’s stable energy output etc and that’s even before we get to the first land based organisms. We have the fossil and geological record to back this up. Complex life takes billions of yrs to evolve and intelligence scientists now conclude is a happy accident.
Lots of people have experienced things. That does not mean aliens were involved. Much of the conjecture around alien visitations is the result of people putting too much store into Hollywood sci-fi movies and YouTube pundits. There are plenty of very good academic videos on evolution, astrophysics and planetary science that will make it clear why the Milky Way or any other galaxy you care to name isn’t teaming with technologically advanced civilizations. The lack of physical evidence that can be examined and analysed by experts should instantly raise alarm bells in any rational consideration of the subject. Instead, the alien visitation theorists resort the government conspiracy theories, aliens not wanting to make their presence known, ‘dark forest hypothesis’ etc that which each passing year seem more implausible than ever.
I did not say we are alone. I’m simply saying, based on the papers I’ve read and the evolutionary and geological record that highly intelligent technologically advanced life is very rare - that’s why the optimistic view is one technologically advanced civilization per galaxy (1 chance in 2x 10^9 stars). The pessimistic view is that it’s 1 chance in 10^24 stars. Stars are used because it is assumed they will have a suitable planet orbiting around them for intelligent life to arise.Did Bonsai say we are alone?
Saying ‘we don’t know, so how can you even make estimates like that’ doesn’t cut it. Given the facts as we know them, this is the best view we have. ‘You don’t know, but I believe there are aliens visiting . . . ‘ is not science. Its at best sci-fi.
No, but I do! In terms of our level of intelligence. We're it, the top of the heap. Just like here on our own planet.Did Bonsai say we are alone?
I'm not an expert at all, but I liked this thread and in my naive eyes it seems that an apparent "selfishness" pervades every thought and activities of all living species on Earth, vegetable kingdom included.
It is maybe the "motivation" or probably it would be better to say the "will" to exist - and continue to exist - the maximum priority we are "planned" and that seems to be a common denominator about life on Earth.
Speaking of intelligence, it is perhaps only a matter of time as life itself seems to contain its own intelligence which sooner or later looks to become more and more structured up to the "logic".
To be honest I don't see any reason to exclude any possible or probable alien species from the above.
What really scares me is not the logic inside the life, but the logic "applied" to life.
So far that seems to do it the human being only.
At least I hope so...
It is maybe the "motivation" or probably it would be better to say the "will" to exist - and continue to exist - the maximum priority we are "planned" and that seems to be a common denominator about life on Earth.
Speaking of intelligence, it is perhaps only a matter of time as life itself seems to contain its own intelligence which sooner or later looks to become more and more structured up to the "logic".
To be honest I don't see any reason to exclude any possible or probable alien species from the above.
What really scares me is not the logic inside the life, but the logic "applied" to life.
So far that seems to do it the human being only.
At least I hope so...
In my whole life there was a place for science and science only and no place for mere beliefs. So, I understand that probabilities for intelligent life in the universe as we know it, are very low. All those valid science conclusions are becoming irrelevant in collision with real events.
Please, read post #1502 and point out any metaphysics and conjecture. What is your scientific explanation of described events?
- Planet Venera.
- Swamp gas.
- Hollywood and YouTube influence on young mind (darn, it was 1944. and my father only had a battery powered tube radio in the house).
- My father ate some poisonous berries or mushrooms and was hallucinating for days? His teacher as well? His father, who warned him not to mess with those strange lights in the fields, also?
To add to Bonsai's comments - also if you estimate the lifespan of a species, in timescales of billions of years, the chances of another alien civilisation being concurrent with ours is very small. Then add in the probability of finding each other - they may not use EM radiation as we do, or be so far away the we can never detect it. And, to the best of our knowledge, FTL is not possible.
Stellar example of how humans deal with questions that challenge their point of view. Ridicule, scorn and insults.I’m sure that many witnesses have suffered worse than that, when decided to share their story.
You have absolutely truthful description of extraordinary events, but you can come only with explanation that my father and his teacher were delirious (or probably mentally ill?). Oh, you forgot even simpler explanation – I made up this story. Most satisfying answer indeed. One can continue his existence citing probability numbers and millions of years span required for intelligent life to emerge.
Oh well, this thread is not for any serious discussion, rather for fooling around. My bad. Realizing the error of my ways, my next post will be in the appropriate fashion.