The Black Hole......

Please bear with me, the schematics from the past show a 10K volume control pot. The situation without any more knowledge would be that to get pass through operation at 4V you turn the pot down to attenuate by the same amount as the fixed gain. At 20dB this would mean ~0.4V at the input with ~1K input resistance. I don't see this causing that much distortion simply due to the input capacitance modulation especially since Vgd is relatively high. The SK170/SJ74 pair has values for the capacitances on the data sheet and they obey the theoretical 1/3 power law, for this effect simulation will give reasonable results.

There is a divider pot (gain) in front of the volume pot.
 

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Not trying to wind Pavel up here but I see very few cases in domestic audio where the gain structure is optimal for this. Maybe will change over time?

This technical issue, ignoring the massive fru-fru parts of this site, is what baffles me the most among the digit-counters. If you are in control of the entire playback chain, why on earth wouldn't you optimize your gain structure *and* gain-early with essentially current gain power amplifiers. DAC + 36V process opamps = easy to get pretty high signals right at the front of the chain with low distortion.

Obviously plenty of people reject this idea for whatever reason, but the high sensitivity ppm-targeted amps are head scratchers.
 
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Furthermore if you apply 2V/4V of input voltage (fully modulated source) to a unity gain preamp at full volume what would you expect to measure as output voltage?

Nobody forced it's use like that and it isn't a "unity gain preamp at full volume" (quite frankly it is very different) and as said before again, if you want to examine the strengths and the weak spots it is sound to use such signals, but nobody should even pretend that it reflects the "normal" use of such a preamplifier at home.

@PMA,

As usually, you are rather political than strictly technical.

You're simply projecting.

Your game is not fair enough. There are many amplifiers that need more than 2V to get full power. One of them is Passlabs X600. 600W into 8ohms, gain 26dB. You need about 3.5V input to get rated power.

All fine, what about choosing another preamplifier if that's your need?
If you need less output voltage, maybe this preamplifier has something that you like........
 
A friend received a Currus Hermes MKI with RCA WBT 0102 Cu from a local dealer today, with a bail only for listening. I was very skeptical about the use of rare earth metals as conductors. But the sound of the audio system with these cables was really better. As if from above, the frequency range is extended by a couple of octaves. He is also very neutral and builds a convincing 3D scene. Since there is little price difference between MKI and MKII, he decided to try MKII as well.
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Nobody forced it's use like that and it isn't a "unity gain preamp at full volume" (quite frankly it is very different) and as said before again, if you want to examine the strengths and the weak spots it is sound to use such signals, but nobody should even pretend that it reflects the "normal" use of such a preamplifier at home.

If you are happy with a preamp that clips your power amp at 11 hours volume pot position with a fully modulated signal good for you
 
Main volume pot is 50K, not 10K.

OK, I've been looking at the 70's/80's schematic posted in the 2008 thread on the Chinese clones.

I personally find having two level controls in a signal chain asking for problems. Anyone here remember the first cable TV stereo was analog with a pilot tone like FM? I demonstrated to an installer how easy it was to adjust for a comfortable volume with different settings on the cable box's and TV's volume control so that the pilot fell below detection and the stereo turned off.

The installer left saying simply the TV was broken.
 
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Can't my volume pot is digital with about 50 turns.





Fine, but if you have too much gain in your power amp you have to chuck 4 bits away just to preserve your hearing/drivers/marriage. Some people angst over that 🙂

Not so. Everything digital works with full word length, including the DAC's. The volume control in the DAC produces better results in attenuation than truncating bits would. I tested.