I just got my essential worker papers today, the type you would show authorities on the way to work so you can be permitted to carry on your way if need be and it gets to that point etc..
Regarding masks: If you want to start using them at some stage, and you are using them because you are very concerned for your health, then if you are a man with facial hair be clean shaven and shave every single day. Also if you don't want the 'shock' look of wearing a mask out in public, you could wrap a scarf around it, that way it just looks like you're keeping warm in a winter type setting whether it's winter or not, perhaps this would be less shocking or embarrassing at first. Of course as the temp heats up that will be harder to do and cope with. The key then is to slow your pace to adjust your breathing.
So for what it's worth, if you are going to use a mask, then be clean shaven no matter what you've read to the contrary. If you want to hide the mask out in public then put a scarf or bandana over it, double protection that way.. Remember all outside surfaces of your mask and scarf or bandana will be contaminated, as with the inside if you're infected, treat everything as same..
Dunno just some advice to pass along. 🙂
Regarding masks: If you want to start using them at some stage, and you are using them because you are very concerned for your health, then if you are a man with facial hair be clean shaven and shave every single day. Also if you don't want the 'shock' look of wearing a mask out in public, you could wrap a scarf around it, that way it just looks like you're keeping warm in a winter type setting whether it's winter or not, perhaps this would be less shocking or embarrassing at first. Of course as the temp heats up that will be harder to do and cope with. The key then is to slow your pace to adjust your breathing.
So for what it's worth, if you are going to use a mask, then be clean shaven no matter what you've read to the contrary. If you want to hide the mask out in public then put a scarf or bandana over it, double protection that way.. Remember all outside surfaces of your mask and scarf or bandana will be contaminated, as with the inside if you're infected, treat everything as same..
Dunno just some advice to pass along. 🙂
You keep saying that and on the one hand that makes the current outbreak much more worrying given that we experience equal or higher death rates than the Spanish Flu had while we have antibiotics and secondly I can't find any evidence for that assertion or at least the '90%' part.
What I do find is that the 3 main causes of death are viral pneumonia, secondary bacterial pneumonia and cytokine storms.
Aspirin poisoning may also have played a role but how sizeable that role was is debated.
Back in post #359 (Mar 13) I remarked that just because there were no reported cases here in West Virginia doesn't mean that there were none. I suspected that lack of testing was the reason.
The first reported case was announced on Mar 17 in the other end of the state. As suspected that case was the first positive out of only 85 tests given.
We don't know how many tests have been given since then, or the true number of positive results, but we do know that a couple that live 3 miles from here have tested positive and were at the same Super Bowl party that we were at in February.
So as of 8 PM tomorrow West Virginia goes into an NYC style lockdown. From "zero cases" to lockdown in 7 days, Yes the virus is here. Are we getting the whole story?
I live about 2 miles out of town on a dirt road. We share the same Comcast cable with a lot of people since it goes on for several more miles. My internet has been clocked at 250 Mbps early on a Sunday morning, but it's "waiting for a response" kind of slow today. Just looking up parts on Mouser or Digikey today has been frustrating. Wednesday it will probably be beyond my patience level.
The first reported case was announced on Mar 17 in the other end of the state. As suspected that case was the first positive out of only 85 tests given.
We don't know how many tests have been given since then, or the true number of positive results, but we do know that a couple that live 3 miles from here have tested positive and were at the same Super Bowl party that we were at in February.
So as of 8 PM tomorrow West Virginia goes into an NYC style lockdown. From "zero cases" to lockdown in 7 days, Yes the virus is here. Are we getting the whole story?
I live about 2 miles out of town on a dirt road. We share the same Comcast cable with a lot of people since it goes on for several more miles. My internet has been clocked at 250 Mbps early on a Sunday morning, but it's "waiting for a response" kind of slow today. Just looking up parts on Mouser or Digikey today has been frustrating. Wednesday it will probably be beyond my patience level.
On one side you are absolutely right, this is more worrying by the numbers. I have not heard 90% either, just that secondary infection and lack of compensentory care (basic needs like food and shelter, this was in a globally poorer era and WWI) meant a lot of folks that could well have survived under better circumstances fell victim.
On the other hand, that is worse numbers by test positive cases. We don't have proof positive case numbers for either the Spanish flu (huge swings in infected numbers) nor today's pandemic. We are grossly undersampled and have no good grasp on the overall prevalence of the disease, which makes a lot of statistics questionable.
That doesn't mean what we're all asked to do is ineffective, just that we lack data and that means projections have enormous error bars. We could be doing exactly the right thing, or we may very well have 1x - 1000x the actual infection rate (former = doom & gloom; latter = pretty much another flu on top of the flu, which is still pretty bad) as to reported and are quite possibly in the midst of a global overreaction, which is putting other people at risk due to resources that would be otherwise allocated differently. The truth probably lies somewhere in between. Not discounting nor diminishing what has transpired. We just don't know.
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I got mine this morning, our company produces parts for medical equipment and, while it's a tiny company, everything in the supply chain has to keep functioning.
Is there a threshold where a population becomes so saturated with the virus that it becomes an air borne threat? I mean if it can survive on a hard surface for so long is the potential there for concentrations to reach a high enough level just from people shedding the virus en masse. Can a person cough it into the wind and have it travel hundreds of miles and then infect someone however minute the possibility?
No, it doesn't remain viable that long once it's dried out. Plus, if the population was so saturated there would be herd immunity.
Here is an Atlantic Monthly story that describes a COVID-19 antibody test that is ready for use. Pretty interesting reading.
Coronavirus Tests for Everyone in a Tiny Colorado County - The Atlantic
Coronavirus Tests for Everyone in a Tiny Colorado County - The Atlantic
Some promissing info here: What precautions health care facilities should be taking to protect their workers | PBS NewsHour The most encouraging was from Singapore:
"But, second, one of the interesting things, it also shows us that you don't have to be totally draconian. In Singapore, for example, when you had — they didn't automatically quarantine everybody who were exposed to a coronavirus patient.
They only sent you home to be in quarantine if you were within six feet of the patient for more than 30 minutes with no mask on. And that was effective.
And what that tells you that if you have a brief momentary exposure within six feet to someone who has coronavirus, that you don't have to fear that that is necessarily going to cause the same spread. It comes from substantial time together."
"But, second, one of the interesting things, it also shows us that you don't have to be totally draconian. In Singapore, for example, when you had — they didn't automatically quarantine everybody who were exposed to a coronavirus patient.
They only sent you home to be in quarantine if you were within six feet of the patient for more than 30 minutes with no mask on. And that was effective.
And what that tells you that if you have a brief momentary exposure within six feet to someone who has coronavirus, that you don't have to fear that that is necessarily going to cause the same spread. It comes from substantial time together."
I'm hoping to be able to buy a test as soon as they are available to the public. I might have had it a week and a half ago but no way to tell since my symptoms were relatively mild and the virus doesn't always present the same way in mild cases.
I would probably say that if the person is coughing in your direction that you don't need to be sitting there for 30 minutes to get it. I'm sure those guidelines are good for those who aren't coughing though.
Coronavirus can travel twice as far as official ‘safe distance’ and stay in air for 30 minutes, Chinese study finds | South China Morning Post
30 minutes, 3 hours, 8 hours - this airborn longevity time value is all over the place. Put a couple std devs around that and you cant tell what time to go to the grocer; a short checkout line may be just fine regarding exposure to other people - or the place may be virtually contaminated 24/7.
Maybe they need to pump the building full of chlorine dioxide gas when they're closed, let it sit overnight and replace with fresh air in the morning. "helps to sterilize medical and laboratory equipment, surfaces, rooms and tools. Researchers have found that at appropriate concentrations, chlorine dioxide is both safe and effective" Chlorine Dioxide | Use, Benefits, and Chemical Safety Facts
So we have technology to clean up after those who feel they are above the rules and best practices. And the ignorant. So where is it? One would think the stock of companies that provide these chemicals and the equipment to handle them would be skyrocketing right now.
Perhaps social media can help, make mask wearing fun, even fashionable. If it just comes out your mouth by speaking - no sneezing or coughing necessary - I cant see doing without a barrier of some sort. Mouth generated aerosols at least caught up in or velocity slowed significantly by a filter or cloth should reduce propagation through a given space - it's almost common sense.
Maybe they need to pump the building full of chlorine dioxide gas when they're closed, let it sit overnight and replace with fresh air in the morning. "helps to sterilize medical and laboratory equipment, surfaces, rooms and tools. Researchers have found that at appropriate concentrations, chlorine dioxide is both safe and effective" Chlorine Dioxide | Use, Benefits, and Chemical Safety Facts
So we have technology to clean up after those who feel they are above the rules and best practices. And the ignorant. So where is it? One would think the stock of companies that provide these chemicals and the equipment to handle them would be skyrocketing right now.
Perhaps social media can help, make mask wearing fun, even fashionable. If it just comes out your mouth by speaking - no sneezing or coughing necessary - I cant see doing without a barrier of some sort. Mouth generated aerosols at least caught up in or velocity slowed significantly by a filter or cloth should reduce propagation through a given space - it's almost common sense.
Our government has declared cannabis stores to be an essential service. I don't want to harsh anyone's buzz here but I question how essential weed is.
I can see booze, I just made a pork roast last night with a peach sauce that required a bottle of wine, frozen peaches, sugar, thyme and some juice from the bottom of the pan the pork was cooked in. So sure booze can be food but weed? I don't get it...
I can see booze, I just made a pork roast last night with a peach sauce that required a bottle of wine, frozen peaches, sugar, thyme and some juice from the bottom of the pan the pork was cooked in. So sure booze can be food but weed? I don't get it...
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