What would you want to see in a book on electronics for vinyl replay? Douglas Self.

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That's where the 2 x 1N4148 I never seem to remember to fit could have saved the day.

I once fitted a gate of diodes as a primitive anti-theft device to my car via a relay. The relay once activated kept itself latched until the ignition switched off. The car was damaged when someone tried to hot wire it. They never found how I did it and gave up 100 metres down the road.
 
Sutherland phd?

Good trick to get this to work with batteries in backwards.

So Sutherland has come up with a power-management system that awakens the PhD only when it senses stylus output. The system is so fast that my dropping the stylus in the groove was all it took to get the PhD out of bed every time. However, if you insist on a warmup period (Sutherland says the PhD doesn't need it), just tap the headshell or clean the stylus and the alarm will go off.
 
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There's actually a big disadvantage of the input cap(s).

It's physical size .. especially for MC means the input loop is a LOT bigger with the potential to pick up hum, buzz & RFI.

But Doug is going to show us how to get all this yucky stuff unmeasurable with simple unbalanced topologies .... and with his beloved input caps too. :D

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Cmon!

Are you telling me all MM stages that use input coupling caps suffer from hum etc? You know as well as anybody its in the implementation.
 
Are you telling me all MM stages that use input coupling caps suffer from hum etc? You know as well as anybody its in the implementation.
The input loop size is critical in ANY LN application. Yes it is about implementation ... but huge extra Golden Pinnae bits in the loop certainly don't help.

You can tell immediately if a designer understands LN by how he lays out the input loop on a PCB.

I pontificate at length on this in LNprimer from my Yahoo MicBuilders Files.
 
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Well I could really take offence at this as the c**p preamp was one of my designs. ;)
Could you post the schematic please. I'm seriously interested :)

- common base inputs for m-coil cartridges (I haven't tried this yet, when I get a few days off work I want to see if I can modify my m-coil pre-amp to try this)
You might want to try my little circuit from my Yahoo MicBuilders Files.

It has the lowest noise of any such device in da known universe.

It uses a huge total of 2 devices, so you might rustle it up with parts from your spares bin ... then spend the next 30 yrs trying to do something better. :)

PS It won't kill your cartridge if you reverse the battery.
 
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The input loop size is critical in ANY LN application. Yes it is about implementation ... but huge extra Golden Pinnae bits in the loop certainly don't help.

You can tell immediately if a designer understands LN by how he lays out the input loop on a PCB.

I pontificate at length on this in LNprimer from my Yahoo MicBuilders Files.

I have seen fine circuits compromised this way.
 
"Good trick to get this to work with batteries in backwards."

Bridge rectifier

Well then you can't reverse the supplies. We could let this lie, I've worked with Walt Jung who has extensively published on RIAA pre-amps and he never in the decades I have known him used a coupling cap for any reason other than a very large Ib for a very few bi-polar op-amps. BTW I have a 0-60dB mic pre-amp with horrible microphonics from the coupling caps (commercial).
 
virtual earth preamps

Doug, here's another suggestion for your book that will result in better sound as opposed to more Golden Pinnae gobbledegook.

Bill Shurv has a thread on mechanical resonance of cartridges

LD and some others are promoting the use of virtual earth preamps for MM. This is one of the classic topologies to extract every microBell of S/N (Normal non-inverting amps don't do this :eek:)

Of course the '75us' pole is done via the Inductance & Resistance of the cartridge so will be wrong. A simple (??!) shelf (which is ideally built into the RIAA network) will correct this.

Has to be matched to individual cartridges but as anyone building a vinyl preamp today will be a Golden Pinnae, this is just something else for them to tweak :)

You just have to provide the mathematical tools for them to do this :D

And you need to provide some way to replace the peaked 2nd order HF filter provided by the usual 47k + extra C & the L bla bla

I haven't looked in detail at the requirements for the OPA but it's likely the usual 5534 might still be good.

It's likely to get even better noise performance than your Virtual Reality Input Z with less bits .. the trade off being the need to match to cartridges.

Here's one example with is even sorta balanced input.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analogue-source/303389-mechanical-resonance-mms-21.html#post5012334
You'll have to search that thread to find the others.
 
"Good trick to get this to work with batteries in backwards."

Bridge rectifier

Exactly.

Many op amps work well at low voltages. Whilst it's not a great solution it would limit the current that could pass if stage one was at lower voltage. It also allows a bit of extra filtering if in cascade. If we want lets say 350 mV out and stage two is gain of 16 @ 1 kHz and I use 1 mV sensetivity that suggests a gain of 350. That says a gain of 22 for stage one. 22 x 1.6 mV ( DL110 ) = 35.2 mV rms. If we say + 30 dB we are looking at about 1.25 Vrms maximum output ( perhaps higher would be nice ). It looks to me this is worth considering. 350 mV is a healthy output. Stage two would need a gain of circa 160 at 20 Hz if the simple RIAA curve ( not IEC ). The gain of stage two can be higher and stage one lower without problems.

If one takes a MM apart the wire looks to be thicker than a 250 mA ( F ) fuse wire ( The last one I did was an AT93 ). I feel it should take 10 mA without problems either for the coil or the magnetic circuit. If the power supply was limited to just above the op amp needs it would be safe? This would be a good idea even if using an input cap I suspect.

BTW. Some demagnetise their pick ups. I never looked at this myself so can only pass on th idea.
 
OP270

Maybe I should buy some OP270s to see how they do. I'll put those in my next Mouser buy.

Looking forward to your tests :) Try to get the better grade, for eg OP270E. Which are guaranteed the noise spec ;)

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Confusingly, there are other different devices with the Exact same code ? This shouldn't be allowed :mad:

The OP270 series are GaAlAs infrared LEDs mounted in a clear plastic SMT packages.

OP270/OP271/OP272/OP273

http://media.digikey.com/pdf/data sheets/optek pdfs/op270 series.pdf
 
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