Why would a lighter cone be more dynamic?
That is not correct, once that driver is part of a loudspeaker system. Faster response to an impulse would mean that the speaker runs to a higher frequency. For a bare speaker the impulse response would indeed be better, but if you put it in a loudspeaker you would remove the high frequencies with a crossover. Then the only factor differentiating the impulse responses of different drivers would be if there are resonances in the pass band. For a direct radiator, which operates between the box resonance and the cone breakup frequencies, this is already close to perfect.Because it has less inertia and responds quicker to an impulse. (This is taking the definition of "sounds more dynamic" to be closely related to transient response)
(This of course neglects diffraction and resonances of the surround etc. but that is not my point.)
The easy part?
The easy part? sorry 😀 lost the thread, what was the easy part?
Martin
Have you been through the easy part ?
The easy part? sorry 😀 lost the thread, what was the easy part?
🙂 Reading about, how to get perfect speakers.
I Think that I am going crazy, I need to see something concrete, hope that the AE LO15 drivers will arrive soon 😡
Concrete speakers has been seen before.
Do all the preparations, while you wait.
When drivers turn up, you just have to throw them in and listen.
Do all the preparations, while you wait.
When drivers turn up, you just have to throw them in and listen.
I am living on the 3' floor 🙂You are not in the wet area of Greve, are you ?
You are not in the wet area of Greve, are you ?
I hope you have got an idea, that suits you out of reading 200 odd posts !
200! make that 2000
That is not correct, once that driver is part of a loudspeaker system. Faster response to an impulse would mean that the speaker runs to a higher frequency. For a bare speaker the impulse response would indeed be better, but if you put it in a loudspeaker you would remove the high frequencies with a crossover. Then the only factor differentiating the impulse responses of different drivers would be if there are resonances in the pass band. For a direct radiator, which operates between the box resonance and the cone breakup frequencies, this is already close to perfect.
(This of course neglects diffraction and resonances of the surround etc. but that is not my point.)
F=MA Force equals Mass x Acceleration
If the mass is increased (of the cone) the acceleration decreases. Put simply, a lighter cone responds quicker.
F=MA Force equals Mass x Acceleration
If the mass is increased (of the cone) the acceleration decreases. Put simply, a lighter cone responds quicker.
Which means it runs to a higher frequency, just as TBTL said...
Which means it runs to a higher frequency, just as TBTL said...
I am losing the plot here slightly. I am saying that assuming the same area, that a cone that weighs 10gm will respond quicker than one that weighs 40gm.
All other things being equal it will have a different bandwidth. Is that what you are saying?
My previous post might be unclear, so let me try to rephrase it:
Let's say you are designing a two way loudspeaker. There is a target transfer function (frequency response) for the woofer, e.g. fourth order butterworth low pass at 3 kHz. Using a crossover you shape the transfer function to your target. Let's assume the target is met. For the result it does not matter how you got there. A light-coned woofer or one with a heavy cone would now both give the same transfer function: the target transfer function. As the impulse response can be derived from the transfer function*, those impulse responses would also be identical.
*It must be noted that this is only true for minimum phase systems.
Let's say you are designing a two way loudspeaker. There is a target transfer function (frequency response) for the woofer, e.g. fourth order butterworth low pass at 3 kHz. Using a crossover you shape the transfer function to your target. Let's assume the target is met. For the result it does not matter how you got there. A light-coned woofer or one with a heavy cone would now both give the same transfer function: the target transfer function. As the impulse response can be derived from the transfer function*, those impulse responses would also be identical.
*It must be noted that this is only true for minimum phase systems.
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Let's say you are designing a two way loudspeaker. There is a target transfer function (frequency response) for the woofer, e.g. fourth order butterworth low pass at 3 kHz. Using a crossover you shape the transfer function to your target. Let's assume the target is met. For the result it does not matter how you got there. A light-coned woofer or one with a heavy cone would now both give the same transfer function: the target transfer function. As the impulse response can be derived from the transfer function*, those impulse responses would also be identical.
*It must be noted that this is only true for minimum phase systems.
Are you saying you are building a 4th order Butterworth minimum phase system? 🙂
Are you saying you are building a 4th order Butterworth minimum phase system? 🙂
I think he was talking about a single way being minimum phase and he is right. Of course the whole system is not minimum phase anymore. 😉
F=MA Force equals Mass x Acceleration
If the mass is increased (of the cone) the acceleration decreases. Put simply, a lighter cone responds quicker.
If you increase the force applied to the heavier cone, you can equal the acceleration initially obtained with the lighter cone.
Another thing to consider : the material of the lighter cone has probably less self-damping properties and may present resonances which compromise the impulse response.
SPL is proportional to the cone acceleration. Therefore a speaker with higher acceleration is not quicker but more efficient.
Regards
Charles
Regards
Charles
SPL is proportional to the cone acceleration. Therefore a speaker with higher acceleration is not quicker but more efficient.
More efficient if the higher acceleration is given for the same electrical power.
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