Back to the original query from Damic: I would certainly attempt the silicone repair on your Stages. Do some experimentation with the mixture beforehand to obtain the proper consistency before you commit to attempting on the speaker. Be prepared to orientate the speaker into various positions and have it stable during the process. Heavy speaker, you do not want it to tip over and damage itself or one of your appendages. 🙂 Being able to manipulate the speaker is a very important part of this process.
If you decide to abandon the silicone repair and morph some conventional woofers into the space once occupied by the woofer, I would opt for an array of smaller drivers. I would use an array of 5"-6" inch drivers. You'll be left with a terrific set of hybrid Stage speakers, and have enjoyed a nice DIY project got your Stages back on the air.
Cheers,
Dave.
If you decide to abandon the silicone repair and morph some conventional woofers into the space once occupied by the woofer, I would opt for an array of smaller drivers. I would use an array of 5"-6" inch drivers. You'll be left with a terrific set of hybrid Stage speakers, and have enjoyed a nice DIY project got your Stages back on the air.
Cheers,
Dave.
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Bill these Apogee an Acoustats are Keepers..........I have had more fun an got nothing but better sound out of them with mods...thanks for your onfo on the Graz MT replacement.....it gave me better sound out of the minors then ever!
An as for diff type drivers in the Stages Bass...I say one driver ea only....7"-8"-10" would do the trick...........this worket well with the centaurs..........let us know what you done??..........sorry about all this post drift....
An as for diff type drivers in the Stages Bass...I say one driver ea only....7"-8"-10" would do the trick...........this worket well with the centaurs..........let us know what you done??..........sorry about all this post drift....
PJ got a lot further than me. My work is still theory and simulation. JohnK was very helpful. Now for a minor sized speaker you are limited to 6.5" drivers which on an OB will roll off around 180Hz so you need to go 3 way. PJ used a ripole sub, something I want to copy. I'll try and model a stage shape in Edge and see what comes out then will write up some ideas for testing and measurement.
If you remount the magnetic array, you hardly can control if it is on the right place. Thats all, no paranoia.
Please keep your talking abouth marketing for you. No need to say such things.
There is no marketing, since there are no spare woofers for Stage, thus nothing for sale and i never would do such a silicon fix for a client, it is a DIY Modification, nothing else.
I clearly said, you can do what you want with your speakers and its fine when you are happy with your cure.
My Stages stay in the closet, since their frame is so much bowed that they buzz like crazy, even if i put a lot of damping material in. The problem here is not the foam, its the frame. If there are new foils availabe, maybe i fix them, but Graz clearly said, he has no plans in this way.
The perforated plate has holes, frame has screw holes where the plate was, the perforated plate is countersunk in the mdf and leaves paint traces from old. You can control it exactly in the same place. This is just to scare people from doing anything to their Apogees themselves, not only Stage.
I don't see any scaring going on. If you want to do something to your speakers fill your boots. But as has been pointed out the 'average' DIY'er tends to get it wrong. Groove as an authorised repairer has a level of knowledge on these speakers above a lot of us, but I am pretty sure he mostly does the repairs as he loves Apogees, not because he makes huge money from it.
You may be able to realign the magnets as you have the skills. In that case you are one of the 1 in 6 who would not bork their speaker doing DIY. Groove is worried about the other 5 I suspect.
But we all want to keep our Apogees running cos we love them? No need to flame on in that case, just have a calm discussion. Or if we want to argue, at least lets start from somewhere we can agree on ,like Finnish Vodka is the best (11 years with Nokia in my youth). 🙂
You may be able to realign the magnets as you have the skills. In that case you are one of the 1 in 6 who would not bork their speaker doing DIY. Groove is worried about the other 5 I suspect.
But we all want to keep our Apogees running cos we love them? No need to flame on in that case, just have a calm discussion. Or if we want to argue, at least lets start from somewhere we can agree on ,like Finnish Vodka is the best (11 years with Nokia in my youth). 🙂
Please explain me how i can control and check the position the from backside, to be sure that the factory installation was accurate, what is usually NOT the case. Of course, it will not be different than it was before, if you are able to make exact the same position.So i and others can learn something from you.
My Stages are unfortunately very bad made, huge tolerances in every aspect.
And please, stop your assertions here that i want to scare people doing DIY.
This is really plain nonsense.
BTW : I forgot to mention, the Stage is the only model known to me which is able to remove the mag. array.
I don't want to be hostile..it's just much more difficult to get thoughts written via internet than communicating face to face.
haha, I have to admit I prefer Absolute Vodka. 😀
You said earlier:
From the above I interpret it as: as the magnets were previously, from factory, did you mean that?
Well, all we have is how they were adjusted from factory, that is all we can compare with.
When I removed the perforated plate, I noticed some of the magnets are a bit poorly aligned, they can surely be better aligned to how the foil is layed out, or fabricate another setup with new C8 magnets and perforated plate with same or very close specifications. All it takes is measuring the foil and dead space. Parts aren't that expensive taking all in consideration. This is something I may attempt later on.
From the above I interpret it as: as the magnets were previously, from factory, did you mean that?
Well, all we have is how they were adjusted from factory, that is all we can compare with.
When I removed the perforated plate, I noticed some of the magnets are a bit poorly aligned, they can surely be better aligned to how the foil is layed out, or fabricate another setup with new C8 magnets and perforated plate with same or very close specifications. All it takes is measuring the foil and dead space. Parts aren't that expensive taking all in consideration. This is something I may attempt later on.
Everybody put your Stages in the closet if they no longer work correctly? 🙂
Graz and Frank have no intention to help you so you might as well just give up. 🙂 What a pathetic premise.
How's that for silly rhetoric and straw man arguments Frank? 🙂
Samppo, good job. Keep up the good work and document what you can so all Stage owners might benefit one day.
Cheers,
Dave.
Graz and Frank have no intention to help you so you might as well just give up. 🙂 What a pathetic premise.
How's that for silly rhetoric and straw man arguments Frank? 🙂
Samppo, good job. Keep up the good work and document what you can so all Stage owners might benefit one day.
Cheers,
Dave.
The magnets are glued on the steel plate, so they do not move by themself.
Except my old Stages have been falling down due cat attack, some magnets lost their position, others cracked.... .
When i removed the plate, it was also visible that aligment with foil was not very well done in factory, next other things could have be done better with a little bit more time or interest to do the job well.
So i would like to have an idea how to adjust, just put the plate on the same place is not good enough for my approach.
Stage woofer foils with wave cut were not really cutted by hand, they did it by edging chemical, thus they were accurate, but due double side alu and waves its nearly impossible to see trough them for adjusment.
Except my old Stages have been falling down due cat attack, some magnets lost their position, others cracked.... .
When i removed the plate, it was also visible that aligment with foil was not very well done in factory, next other things could have be done better with a little bit more time or interest to do the job well.
So i would like to have an idea how to adjust, just put the plate on the same place is not good enough for my approach.
Stage woofer foils with wave cut were not really cutted by hand, they did it by edging chemical, thus they were accurate, but due double side alu and waves its nearly impossible to see trough them for adjusment.
Tut! mine is Koskenkorva Viina. I remember the (good) old days of the early 90s where before communications could be started with my colleagues in Oulu you had to
1. get drunk
2. get naked in the sauna
3. jump in a lake
These days I believe step 3 is optional 🙂
I have a great love of Finland in case anyone had not spotted.
Dave
No idea what others do with broken speakers. The only reason i still have them is, that i liked the sound and that one day maybe there is a chance to fix them with not to much effort.
Other broken stuff goes away free in front of my door.
And no idea what you mean with straw man.
As installer i keep some knowledge for me, thats true.
But maybe its better to keep all things for me, just read here and smile.
No idea what others do with broken speakers. The only reason i still have them is, that i liked the sound and that one day maybe there is a chance to fix them with not to much effort.
Other broken stuff goes away free in front of my door.
And no idea what you mean with straw man.
As installer i keep some knowledge for me, thats true.
But maybe its better to keep all things for me, just read here and smile.
Yeah, that's the problem. This is a DIY forum and knowledge shared is in keeping with the spirit of this excellent forum. You and Graz and other installers already have your own forum where you can advocate your products/services. I fail see the point of your participation here if you're going to hold back valuable knowledge from interested DIYaudio forum members.
Dave.
The cat must have been jealous over the Apogee.
Mine have good (visible) alignment on the right woofer, left woofer a bit so-so. Looks like the work had been done by two different persons when comparing.
Dave, I will post my findings when/if I get that far 🙂
Mine have good (visible) alignment on the right woofer, left woofer a bit so-so. Looks like the work had been done by two different persons when comparing.
Dave, I will post my findings when/if I get that far 🙂
Thanks GrooveT for any an all info..............on Apogee Speakers.....Some here like to think thay speak for others ...
Then come here..apologizeing for the tone and attitude.......We all know that was...is..BS
Some just know better an have a great need to tell others what to do.....hehe
Good luck with that........at the top!
Then come here..apologizeing for the tone and attitude.......We all know that was...is..BS
Some just know better an have a great need to tell others what to do.....hehe
Good luck with that........at the top!
Who else am I speaking for here?
Frank is certainly free to "just read here and smile" at all the DIY'ers experimenting with their DIY Apogee efforts. That's his choice.
However, I (speaking just for myself) would welcome/appreciate it if he offered up some of his knowledge to help Apogee owners who aren't inclined to (or can't afford) a professional refurb.
You seem to enjoy pointing out my 'negativity' on various topics, but I'm the one who's advocating willing DIY'ers attempt/learn to work on their speakers. Graz and Frank are the fellows who are discouraging it and advocating their commercial services. There's quite a bit of irony there, yes?
How many times do I have to mention it.....this is a DIY forum. 🙂
Dave.
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