How better is a Turntable compared to a CD?

[MiiB]

Sy i agree, but are those really the worst part of audio reproduction, if you look at it isolated, your right, but in a system those criterias may not be the most important.

There could be something special about TT's that make them fit music reproduction better.

 

[Helmuth]

All the debate about the cost of gear and what is good or not good is flawed, so is the assumption that certain nationalities fit certain types or lacks certain skills. Too much of that here.

What is the profound difference on the signal from a TT than from any digital source..??

I think it is not very realistic of you to aspect every one uses the right language and examples that you would prefer.

It would be better that you would try to turn it in the direction you want it to go that is more constructive.

 

[a.wayne]

As you've seen in some other threads, doing design correctly to achieve success in demonstrably audible factors is bound to cause howls and sneering from "audiophiles," especially those who have not designed so much as a volume control knob. Props to the fellow who understands the obvious, the flak notwithstanding.

Those who know how , will always work for those who know why ....

 

[davym]

I just got a deja vu moment there Miib 😀

 

[a.wayne]

I did! SACD is much better than equivalent CD

yes ...

Higher distortion and noise, worse pitch stability, worse separation, higher crosstalk. Some prefer this.

So the same difference as using toobs over SS, some prefer this ... 🙄
measurements, application, results ...

 

[Stefanoo]

I think it is not very realistic of you to aspect every one uses the right language and examples that you would prefer.

It would be better that you would try to turn it in the direction you want it to go that is more constructive.

yep I agree with you. MiiB you just jump in, complain about what we talk about and then you don't point out anything specific!!!

 

[merlin el mago]

I have DSD128 files, sounds incredible well, here I have the doubt wich format sounds better (DSD vs vinyl), but if you play DSD files from SACD transport my vote is for vinyl.

 

[SY]

There could be something special about TT's that make them fit music reproduction better.

Nostalgia, ritual, and fashion. For me, when I hear live music, the pitch is stable, there's no electronic hiss, hum, or buzz, no scraping, no rumble, the bass isn't mono matrixed, and the sound doesn't gradually change over 12-15 minutes.

 

[SY]

So the same difference as using toobs over SS, some prefer this ... 🙄
measurements, application, results ...

Maybe YOUR tube gear. Not mine. Noise is inaudible, distortion is well below any established threshold, and the frequency response is flat.

 

[a.wayne]

Maybe YOUR tube gear. Not mine. Noise is inaudible, distortion is well below any established threshold, and the frequency response is flat.

Huh uh, measures better than SS right , all 8 watts of it through those lovely euphoric transformers .... 🙂


The Irony ..

 

[SY]

euphoric transformers

Perhaps yours are. Mine are quite sedate.

 

[a.wayne]

Perhaps yours are. Mine are quite sedate.

Really , you consider hysteresis , sedate ..what is established threshold for distortion, please elaborate ....

 

[Stefanoo]

Perhaps yours are. Mine are quite sedate.

SY Tube gears are not neutral, nor have low level noise performance nor the distortion performance of a SS.
You are in a certain way experiencing Vinyl with your Tube amps!!

 

[a.wayne]

SY Tube gears are not neutral, nor have low level noise performance nor the distortion performance of a SS.
You are in a certain way experiencing Vinyl with your Tube amps!!

Shhhhh ...........

 

[SY]

SY Tube gears are not neutral, nor have low level noise performance nor the distortion performance of a SS.

Perhaps not yours, but mine do. As DF96 has pointed out, an understanding of circuits and measurements can be useful to have before talking about things involving them.

 

[a.wayne]

Sy, you bring your tooobs, I will proved the TT and LP's then we can drink to , Nostalgia, ritual, and toob glow fashion...


Deh Irony..? 🙂


Quantify , established distortion or did i miss your answer and understanding ... ? AGAIN !

 

[Stefanoo]

Perhaps not yours, but mine do. As DF96 has pointed out, an understanding of circuits and measurements can be useful to have before talking about things involving them.

I don't have Tubes thank god!!! I use all pure and goody SS!
What I don't understand is that you refuse to listen to vinyl because of its technical performance, however you listen to outdated tube gears that won't certainly match more modern SS state design.

I said that on one of my first posts here to this thread....check out the review that the acclaimed Top of the line Lamm tube amp has gotten on Sterophile.
Reviewer explains a little bit and shares thoughts on Tube gears at high level, vs SS at the same level of performance!
pretty fun reading!
😎

 

[SY]

Thank you, I have a turntable and LPs, no need to provide them.

 

[Stefanoo]

Thank you, I have a turntable and LPs, no need to provide them.

But do you listen to it? What Analogue FE do you have? 😀

P.S. Just FYI...I have a perfect understanding of measurements and design...just don't ask me why!! 😀

 

[a.wayne]

Sy,

1. What is established acceptable distortion ..?
2. Established by whom ... ?
3. How are you overcoming transformer distortion and hysteresis ?