How better is a Turntable compared to a CD?

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Scott, re strain gauges, of course they need EQ, and the good suppliers (e.g., Sao Win, Robertson) never claimed that they didn't and provided correct EQ. It's just not RIAA EQ, it's a pole and a zero in the midrange where RIAA has zero and a pole (respectively).

The "no EQ needed" nonsense is just more audiophile legend, in the same category as "mold release on CD/vinyl."
 
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Nice bike!

My wife's ancestors arrived here almost 4 centuries ago, and their hard scrabble existence must have translated into a gene for thrift over the centuries. 😀 My wife is very careful with money, and a good deal of this has rubbed off on me!

I would love an Arial Atom, but would settle for a cherry, low mileage 6cyl BMW Z3. (I don't like the newer ones) Not too likely I will have either.. 😛
 
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SY said:
Scott, re strain gauges, of course they need EQ, and the good suppliers (e.g., Sao Win, Robertson) never claimed that they didn't and provided correct EQ. It's just not RIAA EQ, it's a pole and a zero in the midrange where RIAA has zero and a pole (respectively).

The "no EQ needed" nonsense is just more audiophile legend, in the same category as "mold release on CD/vinyl."
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I'm assuming Sound Smith does something similar in their pre-amps. Have to say this is a cartridge I will never own regardless of expense for two reasons, one personal, and the other is that I don't want someone else's electronics in my system.

It is not just audiophiles propagating that myth, until my comment and Scott posted the response of the Panasonic sg cartridge I had no reason to believe eq was required, and had been told by at least 3 highly technical individuals using them that in fact it wasn't. I've heard the SS and the Panasonic, both presumably without the proper EQ which might explain my luke warm reaction to them.
 
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kevinkr said:
Nice bike!

My wife's ancestors arrived here almost 4 centuries ago, and their hard scrabble existence must have translated into a gene for thrift over the centuries. 😀 My wife is very careful with money, and a good deal of this has rubbed off on me!

I would love an Arial Atom, but would settle for a cherry, low mileage 6cyl BMW Z3. (I don't like the newer ones) Not too likely I will have either.. 😛
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No Arial Atom only bmw 4cylinder 1000rr.
Ariel Atom V8 vs 600bhp rallycross Citroen DS3 vs BMW HP4 superbike drag race - autocar.co.uk - YouTube
 
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kevinkr said:
Can't remember the last time I ate at a McDonalds or Pizza Hut.. Plenty of good to great restaurants in this neck of the woods.

Lived in Milano as a teen so I do know good Italian food when I encounter it.

Many of my neighbors drive BMWs or Mercs, a few drive clunkers, with a smattering of new Jags, I drive a 3yr old turbocharged Subaru, bought new - it's fully paid for which I relish when I see the repo man driving by for an impending repossession. (This is comparatively rare now, but a few years ago it was a weekly occurrence.) I will keep it at least another 3 years..

Here in New England frugality is stilled regarded as a virtue in a few quarters at least, just because you have the money does not mean that you spend it, it also means that you save for adversity.

I appreciate quality, but frequently have to compromise due to practical considerations like acquisition and maintenance cost - what is "good enough" vs. what I really want. 😀 All discretionary purchases and most others are made with cash including any of the components or parts used (or that will be used) in my stereo system.
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yes I absolutely quote you!!! The luxury is for who can afford it!! I laugh at people who make debts to buy a Mercedes. Usually when you buy a car you want to pay cash, no reason to get a loan, especially getting a luxury car!
This goes with everything else, I have seen people going in debt for buying a $10-15K Turntable. What is the sense of that?
Anybody should make best use of what he/she has! In other words, if I have only $3K to spend, I will make sure that the parts I am buying maximize my result.
The only problem arises when people who buy cheap stuff want to sell it as they have bought those things in purpose and avoided expensive stuff, not because they couldn't afford them, but because they are actually not good and who buys good thing is a fool....it's like the story we say in Italy...the fox that can't reach the grapes!!
 
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Barleywater said:
Yes, I live in a nation with many obese people, whom simultaneously suffering malnutrition. I eat quite well, and am just three pounds over my high school weight.

I am not joking about CD blowing that beautiful instrument out of the water. The information carrying capacity of its core technology, and its fidelity in extracting that information is smaller, and inferior to digital information technology at the core of CD machine.

Note my distinction of analog instrument and CD machine. CD need only read data. Phonograph cartridge must measure output by physically contacting fragile medium exposed to external elements.

Record cutting lathe is a machine. It blasts atoms out of a substrate exposed to atmosphere and to process tailings. Atoms of metal are scattered onto surface in liquid media exposed to contamination. In stamping phase inhomogeneous vinyl prone to contamination is done with press exposed to air.

Mere mortals clasp at exposed information stream with oil bearing skin.

CD manufacturing machine process also has pitfalls, many as with vinyl records. But with reading pits foiled by reflector only two states need to be ascertained. CD format isn't just bit stream of wave file values. It has check sum information, so if odd pit is deformed, full correction is possible. Read spot(s) focus through surface of media, small surface contaminates are read through. When detected by end user most are easily cleaned off of optically smooth surface.

With vinyl record act of contamination detection often leads to immediate and permanent damage to information stream, and to wear of stylus. Diamonds are not forever when forced to do real work.
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yes you make good points!
It is impossible to respond to these technical points. They are clearly in favor of digital and I can't try to leverage on that.
All I can say to you is to listen to a very hi analogue front end that is been put together properly.
Salas is a very regarded user and he has listen to the finest audio equipment like me and probably somebody else here as well. If you notice the guy on Salas's picture had one of the best music server available as well one of the best vinyl set ups available.
Salas was clear as to what sounded better...and it wasn't the digital. 🙄
 
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SY said:
In audio, as soon as someone says, "I was told..." the part that follows is 99% likely to be wrong. Note that everyone was "told" by "extremely knowledgeable" and "well known" people that LPs and CDs had mold release residue! 😀
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This was first hand from the actual people using the cartridges in question, not someone passing along second hand information if that wasn't clear, and from individuals who I would accord the same level of respect for their level of experience/knowledge (good long term track records) as I would you, and are personal friends. 😛 Despite their assertions it is clear from looking at the graph that they were wrong..

As far as what I read in hifi magazines I accept it as entertainment, it may have as much basis in reality as flying saucers based on the moon..
 
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The best food I ever ate was 3 cookies and a coffee at a norwegian aid station after being snowed in for 4 days in the mountains when i was 14. Best wine I ever had is wherever I lay my hat, as long as its local and has some good dishes to go. As a procurement manager for 10+ years I have been dining in some fancy places. It seldom taste very well.
 
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Food in countries is highly variable, depending upon everything. Last trip in Italy, never touching the fancy restaurants, was a culinary desert - we were so fed up with the terrible standard of 'Italian' restaurant food that the last two meals were deliberately non-Italian, in desperation went to a Chinese for the last round, which was the best meal we had in Italy. While perusing the menus in the windows it became a standing joke that every meal, no matter what the price, always came with French fries and beans, 😀 ...

We discovered that Europeans can do Italian, but apparently only outside their borders - in Amsterdam finally had a decent Italian meal, 😛.

Just to be fair, in our part of the world we have terrible bread: 98% of it is tasteless, white, sponge rubber which dissolves into nothing as soon as you touch it. A tourist would think we can't make bread at all, but it is available - you have to be intrepid, and carefully hunt it down ... 🙂
 
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