analog_sa said:
does it matter if you used a gage12 power cable, when a gage22 would have been more than enough?
i don't believe so.....but hey, it is your money, you are free to spend it which way you like....
but if you post here proclaiming to the world that it made a difference, then be ready to be challenged.....
the only justification that makes sense to me is when you say, "that is the way i liked it".......
Ther seems to be a very strange phenemenon in all discussions about audible differences of cables.Ears,the only known tool for hearing,is always ignored,as if all have the same hearing ability.We have read in this thread about the need of seeing a "specialist"because many simply imagine hearing things,we even read about possibility(although this has not been clarified)of schizophrenia,we have seen irony and arrogance,even hostility.Why?Because I and others said we can hear differences between cables.Well,if it is an issue between deafness and schizophrenia(post:210),then,I am not deaf
I have not asked anyone to justify my observations for me.I have just asked for their opinion as I am not an engineer.And if it is silly to ask someone about the possibility that someone's hearing is better than mine,then I apologize.I will have a second look at my dictionary and find true meaning of the word.I'd like to make another possibly silly question if I may,by reversing yours:"can your brain lie to you and tell you that you are not hearing things?"
Panicos K said:
Some ignore the brain and human imagination based on expectation.
What would you hear without your brain to interpret you nerve signals?
Do you know, that if anyone stick an icebit into the neck of you
you can feel this is a a hot burn.
Without the transform of nerve electrical impulses from any sensory organ we can not get a sensation.
This sensation, this image our mind will be aware of in some form.
The problem is that we can not isolate to only make up this image of what comes right now, from our ears.
The image of the sensation is a mix of all sensory perceptions at a given time
+ memory associations to similar sensations we have stored in brain.
In short, a visual image or a sound image
is made up of anything associative that our brain will make a mix of.
And not only by stuff that is incoming in real time.
This can easily make up illusions, that can be experienced very real to a person.
But neverthless is an illuson only.
Magicians often use to fool, trick our mind, brain by using Optical Illusions.
And there are images that when looked upon, we see the figure move in circle, spiral.
But a printed image can not move.
So this is an illusory effect created not by our eyes, but by our brain.
Now some things we hear and see are no doubt real things from our senses.
But some things are not.
This is why we should be a bit careful before we judge our final experience, preception
to be something from our ears.
when it can some times only exist in our mind.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auditory_illusion
The image attached below is one Optical Illusion.
The bar in middle is in the same colour all the length.
But what does your brain tell you
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Tony,mahy things in life should be universal but they are not unfortunately.I assure you that I too use my ears to listen and enjoy music......ok and few other things
lineup,I do not dissagree with anyything you have said and for a very simple and serious reason:simply because you are the only person in this discussion who said that some things we hear are real and some are not,although you may totally dissagree with me. This I call respect,and Tony,this must be universal
Tony,in your question if I hear a difference and you don't,answer is very simple:You keep on enjoying music with your cable,and I,with mine.I don't see any problem
lineup,I do not dissagree with anyything you have said and for a very simple and serious reason:simply because you are the only person in this discussion who said that some things we hear are real and some are not,although you may totally dissagree with me. This I call respect,and Tony,this must be universal
Tony,in your question if I hear a difference and you don't,answer is very simple:You keep on enjoying music with your cable,and I,with mine.I don't see any problem
I dont do that anymore, dont need to and dont care anymore, but at the time I did those tweaky things I never doubted fore a second that there was a difference no matter which ever change I did make, even the slightest change no matter what does have influence on the sound, but if you dont listen you wont hear it
tinitus said:
granting that you do hear a difference.....this simple truth remains........that what you are hearing is but a facsimile of the original and can never even come close.....
i have heard several really good sounding systems...but always at the end is that sure realization that what i heard is an audible illusion....
so where is the big deal here?
tinitus said:
I don't think that anybody does this everyday,not even I
If there is a reason to change cables beacause they are short in the new rack or room,and have the chance to try something else,illusion or not illusion,you just decide which one is preferable for you at the time,and forget it.Make some changes to one channel only, and listen
If ALL is still balanced then there is no difference
But if the 2 channels arent perfectly balanced and stereo image strange or something clearly wrong, then something has changed...I use this "method" fore speaker xo adjustments and I always feel it in my ears, mostly as a kind of pressure or in worst cases hurting
If thats an illusion, its a good one
If ALL is still balanced then there is no difference
But if the 2 channels arent perfectly balanced and stereo image strange or something clearly wrong, then something has changed...I use this "method" fore speaker xo adjustments and I always feel it in my ears, mostly as a kind of pressure or in worst cases hurting
If thats an illusion, its a good one
tinitus said:
It might be an illusion.
It maybe not.
Especially when something is very subtle or in fact there is no difference we can hear
then our brain, our mind is not 100% to trust.
Becuase of illusory effects that you want to hear.
And your mind will always please your imagintion.
Your mind simply will fill in and hear WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR
To make your change go with your plan and be a Success
This is why we use repetition and see if thing happens more than once and only for one person.
This is why we can use several different persons in a test.
This is why we does not tell before the test, what case it is.
So the person does not have any expectation to fead hid brain
before the evaluation.
Remember thisa well performed test is NOT done
- in order to say you do not hear some difference
- in order to make you be wrong
It is done to try to verify your observation.
To see if you may be right.
Just to remove the uncertainty factor of the way our brain handles information from our ears.
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