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Old 8th April 2020, 01:05 AM   #2711
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in the WIN10 Dell Loptop which stopped working.
So, I uninstalled it, then installed V1.0696.
QA400 still didn't even get the to the calibration stage,
because it had no output.

So I've searched and found another cheesey
USB cable and used that. To my amazement,
the calibration started, measured at 1.296 1.294
and plugged in loopback for L & R, it failed.

But interestingly it does do a one time 1kHz FFT
sweep. It doesn't settle or move as I vary the resolution
or the average.

Are there one tone bursts?

I'm wondering if I can go to the ver. 1.23
and run under WIN 10 as some have mentioned.
ADGR I think had his working there.
I'm just concerned that If I upgrade change etc,

I won't be able to get back.

I don't know why when I change resolution/avg the FFT
window remains? Also the Green F is stuck on the left
hand side.

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Old 8th April 2020, 01:43 AM   #2712
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I've been beating myself up so much over this.
I had to do a sanity check.

Kept thinking it was fried some how.
Well I hooked QA400 to my home office 'puter.
It works just fine.

But on the laptop, it doesn't read,
it won't calibrate, because
it doesn't see the input signal.

Can I install NET.4 on the windows 10 'puter?
Or how to I just install the cypress chip drivers?


From "Help About" screens in QA400:
Center is desktop working version.
Right is laptop non-working version.



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Old 8th April 2020, 02:07 AM   #2713
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I've been beating myself up so much over this.
I had to do a sanity check.

Kept thinking it was fried some how.
Well I hooked QA400 to my home office 'puter.
It works just fine.

But on the laptop, it doesn't read,
it won't calibrate, because
it doesn't see the input signal.

Can I install NET.4 on the windows 10 'puter?
Or how to I just install the cypress chip drivers?


From "Help About" screens in QA400:
Center is desktop working version.
Right is laptop non-working version.



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.NET 4.6 comes installed with Windows 10 I think. It should cover 4.0 backwards. 3.x is a different story

The biggest thing that jumps out at me is the working machine is 64-bit and the laptop is running 32-bit Windows 7. Not sure that's even related, but it's just what I noticed.
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Old 8th April 2020, 02:52 AM   #2714
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Chris,


I noticed that also, but the strange thing is, that was directly on the WIN10 Dell
laptop that I had that installed on. It was from the desktop. Well maybe I should
go look and see what the patch actually is.
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Old 9th April 2020, 04:43 PM   #2715
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I've been beating myself up so much over this.
I had to do a sanity check.

Kept thinking it was fried some how.
Well I hooked QA400 to my home office 'puter.
It works just fine.

But on the laptop, it doesn't read,
it won't calibrate, because
it doesn't see the input signal.

Can I install NET.4 on the windows 10 'puter?
Or how to I just install the cypress chip drivers?


From "Help About" screens in QA400:
Center is desktop working version.
Right is laptop non-working version.



cheers,
Hi SyncTronX, it's good you can confirm the box still works. On the laptop, it's hard to know what might be different. I don't think the x64 versus x32 should matter, but as Chris points out, it might be a clue. As I look back through the release notes, I see there was a lot of churn related to driver signing towards the end of development. And thinking back to where the industry was then, I remember Microsoft was moving from "signed drivers are nice to have" to "signed drives must be used". And then they went from SHA1 required to SHA256 required. The only build that had SHA1 and SHA256 was release 1.23 (from Sept 2016). In the early days, you'd sometimes only see a indication in the hardware manager that "the device could not be loaded" and if you went through the logs you'd see a section indicating the SHA1 signature wasn't accepted. But it was mostly a silent failure as I recall.

Build 1.22 and beyond rebuilt for "any CPU". So, prior to that, I suspect it was a x32 app.

So, I think depending on the patched state of your Win7 machines, certain versions may or may not work for a variety of different reasons. If your Win7 is fully patched up to the point that MSFT stopped supporting, then you might stick more with 1.23 vintage. If not, then maybe earlier versions.

I've attached the QA400 release history. If there's a particular version you want to try I can try to track it down and send you a link.

Edit: PS. I'd be really surprised if there was anything you could install on a Win10 machine to make it work. I've not heard of anyone doing that.
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Old 9th April 2020, 04:59 PM   #2716
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Thanks for that file Matt.

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Old 9th April 2020, 10:12 PM   #2717
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I have noticed that later versions of Win 10 are more compatible with older (XP and Win 7) programs. I don't know if that's intentional but it has been useful for some of my essential "abandonware".
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That's very interesting Demian. I might have to try it since I have entire computers dedicated to earlier hardware and software.

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Maybe is should download the latest WIN10 and see if that helps.

I doubt it but who knows.


Thank's Matt.


I stall can't figure out why the VM Win7, and within that QA400 doesn't work.
I'm not in the financial position to buy the QA401, and haven't been for a while.


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Old 11th April 2020, 03:46 PM   #2720
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I stall can't figure out why the VM Win7, and within that QA400 doesn't work.
Hi Sync,

Did you post the Help->About numbers for the QA400 running under the VM? I know you said it doesn't link, but it sounds like sometimes it links. If you can get it to link and look at those numbers, then I think that will help understand. But my hunch is that it's a 2014 CPU running Win10 as host and Win7 as guest with hardware that has a latency sensitivity. That's a lot of stuff to pile atop a 2014 CPU.

Since you have the QA400 working on your Win7 machine, is it not feasible to get some long BNC cables and use that computer to to make the measurements you wish on your bench? Long BNC cables are cheap, and shouldn't degrade audio quality at all. Not ideal, but at some point you need to get to work! I have a fully patched Win10 machine, and the QA400 still doesn't work due to the Cypress driving not acknowledging the connection. So I don't think your search for combinations of Win10 and DotNet will be futile.

I think at this stage you have a few sure-fire options:

1) Win10 host OS with Win7 guest OS (but needs better CPU)
2) Win10 booting Win7 from USB (but can't readily make image)
3) Dedicated Win7 machine (which works, but is in other room)

I know there are blockers to each, but outside of these it seems like energy spent on other paths probably won't be fruitful. I'll spend a few hours looking at this next week to see where things were left last time. But the problem took a few weeks last time (it was the same problem on QA400 and QA401) and eventually the only solution that worked was to port QA401 to Microsoft's USB drivers and dump the Cypress and that took 2 weeks of effort.

The link below is the state of things at Cypress: You can see from their "Last Updated" note they haven't touched the driver software since 2013. They built this for Visual Studio 2008 and Visual Studio 2010. Everyone is currently on Visual Studio 2019.

Sorry the news isn't better on the QA400 + Win10

https://www.cypress.com/documentatio...-visual-studio
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