The Well Tempered Master Clock - Building a low phase noise/jitter crystal oscillator

[TNT]

- andrea_mori : 2 x 5.6448MHz + 2 x 11.2896MHz + 2 X 22.5792 MHz + 2 x 24.576 MHz + 1 x 45.1584 MHz + 1 x 49.152 MHz + 1 x 90.3168 MHz + 1 x 98.304 MHz + 10 x PCB + 4 x daughter board PCB
- Eldam : 1 x 5.6448MHz + 1 X 22.5792 MHz + 1 x 24.576 MH + 2 x daughter board PCB + 4 x PCB
- esgigt : 1 x 11.2896 Mhz + 1 x PCB, soldered if possible
- fralippo : 1 x 22.5792 MHz and 1 x 24.576 MHz + 2 x PCB + 1 x daughter board PCB
- mravinsky : 2 x 11.2896 Mhz + 2 x XO PCB + 1 x Daughter board PCB
- TNT : 1x22.5792MHz 1x24.5760MHz + 2 x PCB, + 1 x daughter board, all soldered if possible
- 1audio : 2x22.5792MHz 2x24.5760MHz + 2 x PCB + daughter board.
- randytsuch : 2x25.0000MHz + 4 x PCB + 1 x daughterboard
- myint67 : 1x11.2896mhz ,1x22.5792,1x45.1584,1x49.152 ,4 PCB ,2xdaughter board , soldered if possible
- kf_tam : 2x PCB
- BDL : 1 x 11.2896 MHz + 4 x PCB + 1 x daughter board PCB
- thorstenlarsen : 2 x 11.2896 MHz + 2 x PCB
- Zoran : 1x22.5792MHz 1x24.5760MHz + 2 x PCB, (soldered or not...) + 1 x 11.2896 MHz + 1 x PCB
- walangalam : 1 x 11.2896 Mhz + 2 x PCB
- AR2: 1 x 22.5792 MHz and 1 x 24.576 MHz + 2 x PCB (soldering not needed)
- mcluxun: 1 x 22.5792 MHz and 1 x 24.576 MHz + 2 x PCB + 1 x daughterboard (soldering if possible)
- damohpi: 1 x 11.2896 + 1x PCB unsoldered
- noizas : 2 x 5.6448MHz + 2 x 11.2896MHz + 4 x PCB
- badrisuper : : 1 x 11.2896 Mhz + 2 x PCB
- Clsidxxl: 1 x 45.1584 MHz + 1 x 49.152 MHz+daughter board + 2 x PCB -With Assembly Service
- zeta4 1x 22.5792Mhz + 1 x PCB (soldering not needed)
- chertk : 1 x 22.5792 MHz and 1 x 24.576 MHz + 2 x PCB + 1 x daughter board
- hirez69: 1 x 22.5792 MHz and 1 x 24.576 MHz + 1 x 45.1584 MHz + 1 x 49.152 MHz + 4 x PCB (soldered) + 1 x daughter board
- palmito : 1 x 22.5792MHz 1 x 24.5760MHz + 1 x PCB + daughter board.
- gentlevoice: 1 x 6.144 MHz (see earlier PM) + 1 x 24.576 MHz + 1 x 45.1584 MHz + 1 x 49.152 MHz
- naimster: 1x 22.5792 MHz + 1x 24.576 MHz + 2x PCB + 1x daughterboard (soldered if possible)
- zenelectro : 1 x 45.1584 MHz + 1 x 49.152 MHz + 2 x PCB's + 1 x daughterboard (soldered if possible)
- Ryssen : 1 x 24.576 MHz + 1 x PCB soldered
- flowerpot : 1 x 45.1584 MHz + 1 x 49.152 MHz + 2 x PCB + 1 x daughter board PCB
- deanoUK : 1 x 45.1584 MHz + 1 x 49.152 MHz + 2 x PCB + 1 x daughter board PCB
- Miklos: 1 x 11.2896MHz + 2 x PCB + 1 x 16.9344 MHz
- Kannan_s:1 x 45.1584 MHz + 1 x 49.152 MHz + 2 x PCB + 1 x daughter board PCB
- Acko : 1 x 45.1584 MHz + 1 x 49.152 MHz + 2 x PCB + 1 x daughter board PCB
- tuyen : 1 x 45.1584 MHz + 1 x 49.152 MHz + 2 x PCB's + 1 x daughterboard (soldered if possible)
- Malvin : 1 x 45.1584 MHz + 1 x 49.152 MHz + 2 x PCB + 1 x daughter board PCB
- Marlowe: 3 x 16.9344Mhz + 3 x 25MHz + 1 x 45.1584 MHz + 1 x 49.152 MHz + 1 x 22.5792 MHz + 1 x 24.576 MHz + 8 x PCB + 3 x daughter board PCB
- ppap64: 1 x 45.1584 MHz + 1 x 49.152 MHz + 2 x PCB + 1 x daughter board(soldered if possible)
- Superdad: 1 x 22.5792 MHz and 1 x 24.576 MHz + 2 x PCB + 1 x daughter board (soldered if possible)
- vita:1 x 24.576Mhz + 6 PCB
- bkdog 1 x 90.3168 MHz + 1 x 98.304 MHz + 2 x PCB + 2 x daughter board (soldered if poss)

Removed one clock / MB.

 

[esgigt]

Sorry, here's the correct link :
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1odqObA4PFXhxqxyqrZiAPSWgGCTsZBO19erk2LmXXHk/viewform?usp=send_form

Regards

Phil

Phil,

Can you please provide a break-down of the assembly cost of the XO?

Thanks,
Edwin

 

[Ryssen]

What is the slicer (6,7)option?

 

[andrea_mori]

What is the slicer (6,7)option?

It's an alternative way to convert the sinewave output of the crystal oscillator to square wave.
Option 6 should ensure fixed 50% duty cycle.
With option 7, using a resistor network as voltage divider, you can set a different duty cycle, if needed.

 

[TNT]

First=Fixed 50/50 cycle
Second=Assym cycle possible

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[korben69]

Phil,

Can you please provide a break-down of the assembly cost of the XO?

Thanks,
Edwin

Hi Edwin

For sure there will be a price break for multiple XO.
I can't tell the real amount as I haven't experimented the built & tests processes.
Prices in Google form are indicative and subject to variation.
Keep in mind that this Form helps me to define your parts requirement.
So, you need to be accurate while filling.

Parts GB requires another Form due to multiple config options, I'll do it later, let say in a couple of weeks.
Parts Kit for C will be about 16€, extra 4€ for Potato chip option (3.3V).
I've to study it deeply to be more accurate.

Assembly Service subscribers will be advised of the Parts amount according to ordered configurations.
Tranformer could be included but will increase shipping costs.
They became stratospheric whith tracking and insurance.

OTOH you're asking for a SOTA solution, and it can't be cheap

But first, you've to define your exact needs and check configurations.
Most expensive parts are SMA jacks, HF relays, U.FL connectors/wires and common mode choke.

More to come soon.

Regards

Phil

 

[gentlevoice]

- andrea_mori : 2 x 5.6448MHz + 2 x 11.2896MHz + 2 X 22.5792 MHz + 2 x 24.576 MHz + 1 x 45.1584 MHz + 1 x 49.152 MHz + 1 x 90.3168 MHz + 1 x 98.304 MHz + 10 x PCB + 4 x daughter board PCB
- Eldam : 1 x 5.6448MHz + 1 X 22.5792 MHz + 1 x 24.576 MH + 2 x daughter board PCB + 4 x PCB
- esgigt : 1 x 11.2896 Mhz + 1 x PCB, soldered if possible
- fralippo : 1 x 22.5792 MHz and 1 x 24.576 MHz + 2 x PCB + 1 x daughter board PCB
- mravinsky : 2 x 11.2896 Mhz + 2 x XO PCB + 1 x Daughter board PCB
- TNT : 1x22.5792MHz 1x24.5760MHz + 2 x PCB, + 1 x daughter board, all soldered if possible
- 1audio : 2x22.5792MHz 2x24.5760MHz + 2 x PCB + daughter board.
- randytsuch : 2x25.0000MHz + 4 x PCB + 1 x daughterboard
- myint67 : 1x11.2896mhz ,1x22.5792,1x45.1584,1x49.152 ,4 PCB ,2xdaughter board , soldered if possible
- kf_tam : 2x PCB
- BDL : 1 x 11.2896 MHz + 4 x PCB + 1 x daughter board PCB
- thorstenlarsen : 2 x 11.2896 MHz + 2 x PCB
- Zoran : 1x22.5792MHz 1x24.5760MHz + 2 x PCB, (soldered or not...) + 1 x 11.2896 MHz + 1 x PCB
- walangalam : 1 x 11.2896 Mhz + 2 x PCB
- AR2: 1 x 22.5792 MHz and 1 x 24.576 MHz + 2 x PCB (soldering not needed)
- mcluxun: 1 x 22.5792 MHz and 1 x 24.576 MHz + 2 x PCB + 1 x daughterboard (soldering if possible)
- damohpi: 1 x 11.2896 + 1x PCB unsoldered
- noizas : 2 x 5.6448MHz + 2 x 11.2896MHz + 4 x PCB
- badrisuper : : 1 x 11.2896 Mhz + 2 x PCB
- Clsidxxl: 1 x 45.1584 MHz + 1 x 49.152 MHz+daughter board + 2 x PCB -With Assembly Service
- zeta4 1x 22.5792Mhz + 1 x PCB (soldering not needed)
- chertk : 1 x 22.5792 MHz and 1 x 24.576 MHz + 2 x PCB + 1 x daughter board
- hirez69: 1 x 22.5792 MHz and 1 x 24.576 MHz + 1 x 45.1584 MHz + 1 x 49.152 MHz + 4 x PCB (soldered) + 1 x daughter board
- palmito : 1 x 22.5792MHz 1 x 24.5760MHz + 1 x PCB + daughter board.
- gentlevoice: 1 x 22.5792MHz + 1 x 24.576 MHz + 1 x 45.1584 MHz + 1 x 49.152 MHz + 1*PCB
- naimster: 1x 22.5792 MHz + 1x 24.576 MHz + 2x PCB + 1x daughterboard (soldered if possible)
- zenelectro : 1 x 45.1584 MHz + 1 x 49.152 MHz + 2 x PCB's + 1 x daughterboard (soldered if possible)
- Ryssen : 1 x 24.576 MHz + 1 x PCB soldered
- flowerpot : 1 x 45.1584 MHz + 1 x 49.152 MHz + 2 x PCB + 1 x daughter board PCB
- deanoUK : 1 x 45.1584 MHz + 1 x 49.152 MHz + 2 x PCB + 1 x daughter board PCB
- Miklos: 1 x 11.2896MHz + 2 x PCB + 1 x 16.9344 MHz
- Kannan_s:1 x 45.1584 MHz + 1 x 49.152 MHz + 2 x PCB + 1 x daughter board PCB
- Acko : 1 x 45.1584 MHz + 1 x 49.152 MHz + 2 x PCB + 1 x daughter board PCB
- tuyen : 1 x 45.1584 MHz + 1 x 49.152 MHz + 2 x PCB's + 1 x daughterboard (soldered if possible)
- Malvin : 1 x 45.1584 MHz + 1 x 49.152 MHz + 2 x PCB + 1 x daughter board PCB
- Marlowe: 3 x 16.9344Mhz + 3 x 25MHz + 1 x 45.1584 MHz + 1 x 49.152 MHz + 1 x 22.5792 MHz + 1 x 24.576 MHz + 8 x PCB + 3 x daughter board PCB
- ppap64: 1 x 45.1584 MHz + 1 x 49.152 MHz + 2 x PCB + 1 x daughter board(soldered if possible)
- Superdad: 1 x 22.5792 MHz and 1 x 24.576 MHz + 2 x PCB + 1 x daughter board (soldered if possible)
- vita:1 x 24.576Mhz + 6 PCB
- bkdog 1 x 90.3168 MHz + 1 x 98.304 MHz + 2 x PCB + 2 x daughter board (soldered if poss)

 

[korben69]

Hi All

Andrea sent me usefull informations.
Many thanks to you Andrea for doing this.

About XO "C board" configuration.
The process is much more clear to me.
So it will take less time than originally estimated, and reduces previous prices.

For "D&D board", I'll quote a scalable Assembly Service.
Due to various options, the initial quote for "fully stuffed" board was inaccurate.

So, I've removed Assembly Service prices in the Google Form.
Everyone would receive an individual quote according to his expressed needs.
Be accurate while filling the Form, and ask here about technical details

Those who don't need Assembly Service could use the form to order Parts.
Mention "No Assembly Service" for XO & D&D boards.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1odqObA4PFXhxqxyqrZiAPSWgGCTsZBO19erk2LmXXHk/viewform?usp=send_form

Hope this helps.

Regards

Phil

 

[esgigt]

Phil,

thanks for the information

 

[palmito]

- andrea_mori : 2 x 5.6448MHz + 2 x 11.2896MHz + 2 X 22.5792 MHz + 2 x 24.576 MHz + 1 x 45.1584 MHz + 1 x 49.152 MHz + 1 x 90.3168 MHz + 1 x 98.304 MHz + 10 x PCB + 4 x daughter board PCB
- Eldam : 1 x 5.6448MHz + 1 X 22.5792 MHz + 1 x 24.576 MH + 2 x daughter board PCB + 4 x PCB
- esgigt : 1 x 11.2896 Mhz + 1 x PCB, soldered if possible
- fralippo : 1 x 22.5792 MHz and 1 x 24.576 MHz + 2 x PCB + 1 x daughter board PCB
- mravinsky : 2 x 11.2896 Mhz + 2 x XO PCB + 1 x Daughter board PCB
- TNT : 1x22.5792MHz 1x24.5760MHz + 2 x PCB, + 1 x daughter board, all soldered if possible
- 1audio : 2x22.5792MHz 2x24.5760MHz + 2 x PCB + daughter board.
- randytsuch : 2x25.0000MHz + 4 x PCB + 1 x daughterboard
- myint67 : 1x11.2896mhz ,1x22.5792,1x45.1584,1x49.152 ,4 PCB ,2xdaughter board , soldered if possible
- kf_tam : 2x PCB
- BDL : 1 x 11.2896 MHz + 4 x PCB + 1 x daughter board PCB
- thorstenlarsen : 2 x 11.2896 MHz + 2 x PCB
- Zoran : 1x22.5792MHz 1x24.5760MHz + 2 x PCB, (soldered or not...) + 1 x 11.2896 MHz + 1 x PCB
- walangalam : 1 x 11.2896 Mhz + 2 x PCB
- AR2: 1 x 22.5792 MHz and 1 x 24.576 MHz + 2 x PCB (soldering not needed)
- mcluxun: 1 x 22.5792 MHz and 1 x 24.576 MHz + 2 x PCB + 1 x daughterboard (soldering if possible)
- damohpi: 1 x 11.2896 + 1x PCB unsoldered
- noizas : 2 x 5.6448MHz + 2 x 11.2896MHz + 4 x PCB
- badrisuper : : 1 x 11.2896 Mhz + 2 x PCB
- Clsidxxl: 1 x 45.1584 MHz + 1 x 49.152 MHz+daughter board + 2 x PCB -With Assembly Service
- zeta4 1x 22.5792Mhz + 1 x PCB (soldering not needed)
- chertk : 1 x 22.5792 MHz and 1 x 24.576 MHz + 2 x PCB + 1 x daughter board
- hirez69: 1 x 22.5792 MHz and 1 x 24.576 MHz + 1 x 45.1584 MHz + 1 x 49.152 MHz + 4 x PCB (soldered) + 1 x daughter board
- palmito : 1 x 45.1584 MHz + 1 x 49.152 MHz; 1 x 22.5792MHz 1 x 24.5760MHz; 2 PCBs; 2 daughter boards.
- gentlevoice: 1 x 22.5792MHz + 1 x 24.576 MHz + 1 x 45.1584 MHz + 1 x 49.152 MHz + 1*PCB
- naimster: 1x 22.5792 MHz + 1x 24.576 MHz + 2x PCB + 1x daughterboard (soldered if possible)
- zenelectro : 1 x 45.1584 MHz + 1 x 49.152 MHz + 2 x PCB's + 1 x daughterboard (soldered if possible)
- Ryssen : 1 x 24.576 MHz + 1 x PCB soldered
- flowerpot : 1 x 45.1584 MHz + 1 x 49.152 MHz + 2 x PCB + 1 x daughter board PCB
- deanoUK : 1 x 45.1584 MHz + 1 x 49.152 MHz + 2 x PCB + 1 x daughter board PCB
- Miklos: 1 x 11.2896MHz + 2 x PCB + 1 x 16.9344 MHz
- Kannan_s:1 x 45.1584 MHz + 1 x 49.152 MHz + 2 x PCB + 1 x daughter board PCB
- Acko : 1 x 45.1584 MHz + 1 x 49.152 MHz + 2 x PCB + 1 x daughter board PCB
- tuyen : 1 x 45.1584 MHz + 1 x 49.152 MHz + 2 x PCB's + 1 x daughterboard (soldered if possible)
- Malvin : 1 x 45.1584 MHz + 1 x 49.152 MHz + 2 x PCB + 1 x daughter board PCB
- Marlowe: 3 x 16.9344Mhz + 3 x 25MHz + 1 x 45.1584 MHz + 1 x 49.152 MHz + 1 x 22.5792 MHz + 1 x 24.576 MHz + 8 x PCB + 3 x daughter board PCB
- ppap64: 1 x 45.1584 MHz + 1 x 49.152 MHz + 2 x PCB + 1 x daughter board(soldered if possible)
- Superdad: 1 x 22.5792 MHz and 1 x 24.576 MHz + 2 x PCB + 1 x daughter board (soldered if possible)
- vita:1 x 24.576Mhz + 6 PCB
- bkdog 1 x 90.3168 MHz + 1 x 98.304 MHz + 2 x PCB + 2 x daughter board (soldered if poss)

 

[mcluxun]

I think there are some logic errors in that order form
1. the sheet wont submit unless all 6 clock freqs are selected
2. the sheet still requires divider and delayed clock output options after "No" output is selected

 

[justubes]

Hi Andrea, can i just chime in for a11.2896 Mhz xo.

Thanks

 

[andrea_mori]

Hi Andrea, can i just chime in for a11.2896 Mhz xo.

Thanks

Yes, the list will be closed definitely within the end of December.

I have just received the quote from Laptech about 90.3168 MHz and 98.304 MHz crystals:
MOQ is 15 pcs
Price is EUR 29.00 for 5th overtone mode, EUR 31.00 for 3rd overtone mode.
There was also an error about the quote of 6.144 MHz crystal: MOQ is 15 pcs and not 100 pcs.

Summarizing:

Frequency MOQ Price MOQ reached
11.2896 MHz 10 pcs € 27.00 Yes
22.5792 Mhz 10 pcs € 27.00 Yes
24.5760 MHz 10 pcs € 27.00 Yes
45.1584 MHz 10 pcs € 27.00 Yes
49.1520 MHz 10 pcs € 27.00 Yes
25.0000 MHz 10 pcs € 27.00 No
16.9344 MHz 10 pcs € 27.00 No
5.6448 MHz 15 pcs € 29.00 No
6.1440 MHz 15 pcs € 29.00 No
90.3168 MHz (3rd/5th) 15 pcs € 31.00/€ 29.00 No
98.304 MHz (3rd/5th) 15 pcs € 31.00/€ 29.00 No

In case of frequencies where MOQ will not be reached, no order will be sent, but the list will be retained for future batch.

 

[Zeta4]

Hi
I just want to confirm my order for 1 x 22.5792 xtal and 1 X oscillator pcb with no assembly and no daughter board. Do I have to fill in the google form? If so how
do I answer the questions about the D&D board (I assume that means the daughter
board).

 

[TNT]

The google form is only for those wanting assembly service by Phil - right?

//

 

[korben69]

I think there are some logic errors in that order form
1. the sheet wont submit unless all 6 clock freqs are selected
2. the sheet still requires divider and delayed clock output options after "No" output is selected

Thank you for your input.
I've modified the form.

Regards

Phil

 

[korben69]

Hi
I just want to confirm my order for 1 x 22.5792 xtal and 1 X oscillator pcb with no assembly and no daughter board. Do I have to fill in the google form? If so how
do I answer the questions about the D&D board (I assume that means the daughter
board).

You'll use the form only if you want Parts Kits according to your configuration.
For boards & crystals only, the Form is useless, check with Andrea.

Regards

Phil

 

[korben69]

The google form is only for those wanting assembly service by Phil - right?

//

For those who wants Assembly Service and/or Parts Kits.
PCBs ("C"/"D&D") and Crystals GB is handled by Andrea.

Regards

Phil

 

[andrea_mori]

Hi
I just want to confirm my order for 1 x 22.5792 xtal and 1 X oscillator pcb with no assembly and no daughter board. Do I have to fill in the google form? If so how
do I answer the questions about the D&D board (I assume that means the daughter
board).

As Phil said, I confirm that I'll handle crystals and PCBs orders.

I'll let you know soon, just the time to arrange the way to collect them.
This evening or tomorrow.

 

[clsidxxl]

The other user of the Ian FIFO
For use the XO and daughter board with Fifo of Ian how to complete the form assembly,apart connection between board, they are the options to take?