in modern drivers, im very curious of the Seas Exotic. SEAS EXOTIC
and the supravox field.
Im very curious for the western 755a and wonder how it would compare to a goodman axiom 80.
Ive compared recently jbl l8t and coral beta 8 and Im not sure if they are better then alpair 12p tbh. they all have flaws that I couldnt live with.
and the supravox field.
Im very curious for the western 755a and wonder how it would compare to a goodman axiom 80.
Ive compared recently jbl l8t and coral beta 8 and Im not sure if they are better then alpair 12p tbh. they all have flaws that I couldnt live with.
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The love of fullrange is SO subjective. I could not live with Coral beta 8 either too over etched in the upper register and I owned them. DIVORCE
Tang Band 1611 BORING! in my opinion only perhaps but for me that is the only one that matters. My favourites @ the moment are Philips AD 12100 W8 fullrange & Seas 30 TV-E all augmented with super tweeters ie Fostex bullet. All running correction filters and simple tweeter XO's. Heresy to some and not a single 8 in sight. So extended range tweeter assisted notch filtered and I LOVE em. The Seas has a super smooth roll off. What I don't understand is why that cannot be reproduced today? In answer to the above visit the Troels Graveson website and read about his Supravox "adventures". Used his ideas on my Philips & Tanoys so I believe him. Seas 8 exotic is most likely a safe bet but overpriced compared to say a pair of Tang Band W8 1772 from Partsexpress.
Tang Band 1611 BORING! in my opinion only perhaps but for me that is the only one that matters. My favourites @ the moment are Philips AD 12100 W8 fullrange & Seas 30 TV-E all augmented with super tweeters ie Fostex bullet. All running correction filters and simple tweeter XO's. Heresy to some and not a single 8 in sight. So extended range tweeter assisted notch filtered and I LOVE em. The Seas has a super smooth roll off. What I don't understand is why that cannot be reproduced today? In answer to the above visit the Troels Graveson website and read about his Supravox "adventures". Used his ideas on my Philips & Tanoys so I believe him. Seas 8 exotic is most likely a safe bet but overpriced compared to say a pair of Tang Band W8 1772 from Partsexpress.
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upper mid and treble lacks refinement.
Is that why they dont image well enough?
The rising response also probably mask the midrange detail. I regret selling my a12p as id like to play with EQ. I sold my a12p because they really measured badly and nothing like publish spec. by comparison my salk continuum was ruler flat and a12p showed variation of over 8db in the FR.
when I compared a12p vs coral beta 8, i def prefered a12p. the jbl l8t is very musical but seems colored. gorgeous tone however!
I think there is no such thing as a perfect fullrange. Only one who's faults don't detract from it's strong points for you as another set of ears might not hear what you percieve the same way.
What's the best 8" fullrange that you've heard?
Interesting comment about the 12p lacking refinement. haven't read that elsewhere.
I have 12pw's going in boxes next week and with 100 hrs out of the box they sounded awesome on guitarwork
Interesting comment about the 12p lacking refinement. haven't read that elsewhere.
I have 12pw's going in boxes next week and with 100 hrs out of the box they sounded awesome on guitarwork
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I owned a set of Goodmans traxioms before the prices went mental.
Sounded ordinary for hifi but AWESOME as a vintage tone twin speaker set up with a Vox AC30 amp clone.
Sounded ordinary for hifi but AWESOME as a vintage tone twin speaker set up with a Vox AC30 amp clone.
Some may be a little disappointed that the A12p lacks the pinpoint imaging of a high end tweeter, but they do a decent enough job, considering the size of the cone. Certainly the smaller MA (and other makes) can give a better sense of 3D depth to the music, but to call them unrefined may be a bit unfair.
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Its been awhile, but I heard the best imaging so far from a pair of A10's, not sure why the 12's would not also perform well.
anyone compared seas exotic f8 to Tang Band W8 1772?
how refined is the philips? very interesting driver!
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How blue is the sky? How big is infinity? How refined is the Philips? That is impossible to answer. I think it is the most balanced fullrange driver I've ever owned . It has faults that every driver of this sort have but they don't bother me like it did with the others. To my ears it gets realistic tone right. So if that defines refinement then I guess it is.
How blue is the sky? How big is infinity? How refined is the Philips? That is impossible to answer. I think it is the most balanced fullrange driver I've ever owned . It has faults that every driver of this sort have but they don't bother me like it did with the others. To my ears it gets realistic tone right. So if that defines refinement then I guess it is.
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interesting you had goodman axiom 81 and coral beta 8. I see philips are not very pricey. very interested! which you prefer, the philips or the seas tv?
have you tried modern fullrange?
interesting you had goodman axiom 81 and coral beta 8. I see philips are not very pricey. very interested! which you prefer, the philips or the seas tv?
have you tried modern fullrange?
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I heard the a12p in superpensil compared to a lowther in a complex corner horn cabinet - the tp1 I think. A12p was almost as nice. I bought a pair then.
Correction.Goodmans triaxiom & Tang Band 1611 I borrowed off Adelaide speakers. The polypropylene signature didn't do it for me. But aside from that not bad. Also tried a Jordan 2 inch line array when they were manufactured in China. Disaster! 38 Hz Fs variance in a "matched" set of 8 for a pair of line arrays. Needless to say they went back under warranty. Also a line array of Fountek FE85's. Too non linear a frequency response for my taste. So yes I have tried some newbies. Thanks for asking.
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My experience with 8" full rangers is limited compared to smaller drivers, so no -but at approx 1/5 the cost, FA22RCZ wasn't at all hurtful for a whizzer coned 8".
In the right box (SuperPensil), the Alpair12P is a great performer, but at 89 litres, not the tiniest of enclosures.
Fostex FE206 ESR was another one that needed a small fridge sized and weighted enclosure for full effect.
Re the F200A - my audition to those was in an unusual arrangement of Bud's - mounted completely unencumbered by enclosure, and with support of dual TL woofers. The midrange to as far as the top end went was quite captivating - nuanced, detailed and with depth well past the back wall.
TB W8 1772 has its charms - certainly decent bottom, but I find female vocals a bit nasal for my taste - nowhere as open as the Alpair12P
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I like them both but if I had to choose one I think it would be the Philips. The lower registers are more weighted and reproduce toms & jembe percussion with uncanny realism.
I like them both but if I had to choose one I think it would be the Philips. The lower registers are more weighted and reproduce toms & jembe percussion with uncanny realism.