Sounds to me like there is an error in the drawing. This is a big thread- do you have a link to it?
Good point, the new version, v1.1AB, is in post #157. 14th March 2010, 03:48 PM
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/tubes-valves/161112-what-tubes-tube-amp-16.html#post2118976
Dejalo trabajar al pibe que si sigue typeando empeorará el síndrome del tunel carpiano.mullardel34 any news? any progress?
Sorry Guys for my spanish commentary but is a colleague from my same country.
Good point, the new version, v1.1AB, is in post #157. 14th March 2010, 03:48 PM
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/tubes-valves/161112-what-tubes-tube-amp-16.html#post2118976
OK- I didn't see this before, but it is definitely an error! If you are using this power transformer, you will want both secondaries in series to give 100V input to the rectifiers. Unless you have some way of boosting the AC line voltage at that point, you simply will not have enough B+ to make it worth running the amplifier in AB mode. So IMO that switch has no business there.
Atmasphere (Ralph?) - since you are so kind to the audio community in sharing some of the fun with us in building OTL circuits perhaps you could have on sale some of the parts as well so that we could buy them directly from you? Truthfully I wont care even if there is a 50% markup, since my effort in sourcing them is more than that. That could be an extension of your parts section on your website.
I should note that the most difficult part for me after years of trials and errors is the chassis, but even so, if I can get hold of a transformer/ capacitor or two that would indeed make my life much much easier.
I terms of potential and design I, for sure, can testify that the sound you get out of any variation of an OTL is superb, after years of blind tests with SET and other circuits, and the difference is by no means subtle. I am currently using a futterman -Rozenblit design with 6c33c which is delightful to listen.
Thanks once again for your efforts and kind input into this venture.
I should note that the most difficult part for me after years of trials and errors is the chassis, but even so, if I can get hold of a transformer/ capacitor or two that would indeed make my life much much easier.
I terms of potential and design I, for sure, can testify that the sound you get out of any variation of an OTL is superb, after years of blind tests with SET and other circuits, and the difference is by no means subtle. I am currently using a futterman -Rozenblit design with 6c33c which is delightful to listen.
Thanks once again for your efforts and kind input into this venture.
OK- I didn't see this before, but it is definitely an error! If you are using this power transformer, you will want both secondaries in series to give 100V input to the rectifiers. Unless you have some way of boosting the AC line voltage at that point, you simply will not have enough B+ to make it worth running the amplifier in AB mode. So IMO that switch has no business there.
Mr. Karsten: Thank you for taking the time to look at that, I didn't see your reply until now. So, just to be clear, the original Atma-Sphere version of the power supply, as posted in message #109 on 3rd March 2010, 02:44 PM, appears to show SW3a toggling the primary of the power transformer between having two primary coils in series for each phase for Class A operation to then taking one coil per phase out of service for Class AB; which in turn switches the hi voltage secondary between 100 vac for Class A and 200 vac for Class AB. Do I have that right? (I'm sorry to beat this issue if it's obvious to the more experienced on the list.)
I built a solid state circlotron that sounds great, so I'm really psyched to step up to this vt version.
Related note, if we want to buy a kit can we buy it direct or only through authorized dealers?
we have thought about offering the original M-60 chassis as a kit again.
If we could develop a group buy, it might go a lot easier.
If we could develop a group buy, it might go a lot easier.
we have thought about offering the original M-60 chassis as a kit again.
If we could develop a group buy, it might go a lot easier.
Ralph,
What quantity and at what price point? I would be interested.
So, just to be clear, the original Atma-Sphere version of the power supply, as posted in message #109 on 3rd March 2010, 02:44 PM, appears to show SW3a toggling the primary of the power transformer between having two primary coils in series for each phase for Class A operation to then taking one coil per phase out of service for Class AB; which in turn switches the hi voltage secondary between 100 vac for Class A and 200 vac for Class AB. Do I have that right? (I'm sorry to beat this issue if it's obvious to the more experienced on the list.)
The switch is simply switching a tap in and out, not an entire winding. It could also be accomplished with a small bucking transformer.
Ralph,
What quantity and at what price point? I would be interested.
We would need at least 10 people and the chassis work would be about $450.00 each. That chassis is designed for toroidal transformers, FWIW.
We would need at least 10 people and the chassis work would be about $450.00 each. That chassis is designed for toroidal transformers, FWIW.
Lets go people I am 1 of 10 where are the other 9? Also Ralph what about a transformer package?
i am interested in join to the builders.
That makes 2 we need 8 more. Whose next?
Since we're talking kits and all, in Sweden we have 230V@50HZ and I'm sure there are others as well. It would be great if the kits were offered with the possibility to choose transformers with regards to the local demands.
I'm interested as well but the price tag will determine if I'm able to.
I'm interested as well but the price tag will determine if I'm able to.
I am of course in this too. I agree that we need to have a 230v option but nowadays this should not be a problem as it is fairly standardised.
I am extremely confident that should this be "published" ie marketed a lot more people would express interest. Any ideas fellas?
I am extremely confident that should this be "published" ie marketed a lot more people would express interest. Any ideas fellas?
The transformers are rated with dual primaries and have 50Hz cores.
We have kept the old kit manual from 11-12 years ago. It has some updates in it too, but realistically a kit from us would be about $4500 these days.
We have kept the old kit manual from 11-12 years ago. It has some updates in it too, but realistically a kit from us would be about $4500 these days.
Another idea which may prove to be of commercial interest to Atma - not knowing the hit count on your website- is to post the idea on your website of the possibility of re-issuing the KIT and to allow the visitor to express his feedback as to his intentions to buy one.
Atma would get a feel of the market fairly quickly and everyone would be happy if this goes through, and primarily for Atma knowing if this is worth investing for.
Alternatively we can beg our fellow diyers for a group buy.
Atma would get a feel of the market fairly quickly and everyone would be happy if this goes through, and primarily for Atma knowing if this is worth investing for.

Alternatively we can beg our fellow diyers for a group buy.
We have kept the old kit manual from 11-12 years ago. It has some updates in it too, but realistically a kit from us would be about $4500 these days.
That would necessitate a group buy... for one unit 😱
we can all of course try a group buy on the chassis and/or the toroids or also consider an s-30 version of this bird.
I suspect a lot of people would not be interested in the cost of the kit. Many have ideas about what parts they want to use- tube sockets, caps, that sort of thing. So right now the group buy on the chassis seems a good place to start. We can probably figure out something on the transformers too.
I suspect a lot of people would not be interested in the cost of the kit. Many have ideas about what parts they want to use- tube sockets, caps, that sort of thing. So right now the group buy on the chassis seems a good place to start. We can probably figure out something on the transformers too.
I see the kit as transformers and chassis only. Past that we all buy the infill items we like most of all. Is that $4500?
Thx Ralph
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