What is the Universe expanding into..

Do you think there was anything before the big bang?

  • I don't think there was anything before the Big Bang

    Votes: 56 12.5%
  • I think something existed before the Big Bang

    Votes: 200 44.7%
  • I don't think the big bang happened

    Votes: 54 12.1%
  • I think the universe is part of a mutiverse

    Votes: 201 45.0%

  • Total voters
    447
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Time is imaginary, our construct, and nothing that really exists. Temperature and Change do and they are "symmetrical" and reciprocal. Time as we know it will go slower when change (temp) approach 0.

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The prediction of the universe is that all stars eventually fade away, its get dark and cold as the last drop of energy fades aways as the last foton waves away.

Not exactly. The total amount of energy in the universe is constant. The theory about "Heat Death" refers to the inevitability of the universe reaching maximum entropy. At that state all of the energy is still present, but none of it can be consumed.
 
Time is change.... Absolute zero -> time stops.

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Just a thought,

Is absolute zero a fact or a human interpretation? I know it is supposed to be the reduction of energy to a maximum point. However in relation to what we understand. ie what is the maximum hot what is the maximum cold and do both require energy? ie does time stop with zero energy? can you have zero energy?
(the old idea of the vacuum)=0 In theory zero energy is non existence and no time.

Or as above..maximum entropy..the problem with maximum entropy is it is saying that entropy isn't infinite. (It has a maximum value) Which is saying the universe has finite energy spread over a distance which is set by the expansion of energy. Or another way of saying how far can you spread finite energy before it becomes nothing?
In theory you can't create or destroy energy..that would have to be untrue for something to become nothing.

It would also seem to say energy can expand into something with no energy..assuming that the universe is made of an type of energy..
The alternative is that only part of the universe is made of energy and part of it exists without energy some kind of void..were we refer to the universe as the "Lump" of energy..but in reality its only part of the universe. The other would have to be a void that exists without energy.

If that was true then what is reality? Is reality based on energy? If the void existed then that would explain why we don't understand what reality is.


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M. Gregg
 
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Just for fun,

The void,

A place where time and space cease to exist. Energy does not exist. Blackness does not exist, light does not exist.

Thoughts and dreams don't exist LOL it sounds a bit like death.
The expansion of life into death. What a strange feeling..

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M. Gregg
 
Is absolute zero a fact or a human interpretation? I know it is supposed to be the reduction of energy to a maximum point. However in relation to what we understand. ie what is the maximum hot what is the maximum cold and do both require energy?

"Absolute" zero (-273.15 K) is a fact, but it's only absolute in the sense that our current understanding of quantum physics does not allow us reach it or go below it. Same thing with absolute hot = 1.417*10^32 K.

Quantum physics also forbids a perfect vacuum.

ie does time stop with zero energy?

Time stops with zero entropy. Some people actually speculate that entropy is the source of time.

can you have zero energy?

I don't think so. But I could be wrong.

Or another way of saying how far can you spread finite energy before it becomes nothing?
In theory you can't create or destroy energy..that would have to be untrue for something to become nothing.

I doesn't become nothing. It just reaches a state of perfect equilibrium.

It would also seem to say energy can expand into something with no energy..assuming that the universe is made of an type of energy..
The alternative is that only part of the universe is made of energy and part of it exists without energy some kind of void..were we refer to the universe as the "Lump" of energy..but in reality its only part of the universe. The other would have to be a void that exists without energy.

The universe is not expanding "into" anything. It has no edge.

Read the article M Greeg links to on the first page of the thread.
 
And then I suddenly realize that I'm both quoting M Gregg and pointing to him as a third person. D'oh!

But seriously, read the article you originally posted a link to.

I don't believe the universe is infinite. If it was it couldn't have happened as a separate entity. The big bang<<<if this was the start of the universe or could the big bang be a happening in the existing universe? In which case it would be part of a multiverse.
If something has a start point and expanded where did it happen?

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M. Gregg
 
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Big Bang didn't create the universe. It created the expansion of matter into, the infinite, ever existing, universe.

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If there are multiple big bangs then is this a multiverse?
The idea behind string theory.

If the expansion of matter expanded into the universe then what existed before the big bang? E=MC^2? Matter and energy are one and the same thing..And particles appear to be made from wave functions and probability waves.

Ie the big bang created the universe..or the big bang happened in the universe which was in a different form..the void..


http://www.universetoday.com/111561/where-is-the-center-of-the-universe/

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M. Gregg
 
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If something has a start point and expanded where did it happen?

I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around it myself, but this is how I understand the theory:

The picture that the media always use when depicting the Big Bang, showing it as an explosion in the middle of a void, is wrong. There was no void. Everything, as in EVERYTHING!, was compressed to a single point, including all of the dimensions. There was no time and there was no up, down, left or right.

So, the correct answer to "where did it happen?" is: "everywhere".
 
I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around it myself, but this is how I understand the theory:

So, the correct answer to "where did it happen?" is: "everywhere".

It would seem before the big bang there is nothing not even the void?
This would mean the big bang created infinity?

How can something happen nowhere?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os6ieSdbyZ8

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M. Gregg
 
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It would seem before the big bang there is nothing not even the void?

Well, there was no "nothing". There was everything. But everything was compressed to a single point.

The universe doesn't have an edge and never had one. You can't look at the universe as a sphere in space. That's not how the dimensions work.

This would mean the big bang created infinity?

No, the universe was already infinite, but this whole infinity was... compressed to a single point. Sounds crazy, but that's the theory. Again, the Big Bang didn't happen in a void, it just... happened.

How can something happen nowhere?

Like I said, it didn't happen nowhere. It happened everywhere, because it IS everywhere.
 
It happened "nowhere" because at the moment matter dropped into 3+1 dimensions, It effectively was 1+1 (1point+time) at first before it expanded into 3+1.

We are able to see some of the oldest parts of the galaxy now... but again, the best way I can conceptualize space, is that our space follows our matter.
 
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