Yes, I get that feeling too when people react so strongly to odd lifestyles. Not sure the feeling is accurate, but there is so often a strangeness about it. Lady Macbeth comes to mind.
Well said. The really sad thing however is that some (few) other people will build their business around it by taking advantage of such angry social groups with restricted vision...including ONLUS style associations.....
Funny at catered business meetings, the menu options were published beforehand.
I would select grilled blackened vegetables but then at the serving line was always depleted before I could get a plate.
(And these were oil field chow hounds)
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I would select grilled blackened vegetables but then at the serving line was always depleted before I could get a plate.
(And these were oil field chow hounds)
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Good thing our society has improved over time.
Same can be but it depends. It's important to know the facts. Too bad there is so much propaganda circulating.
How much animals suffer or enjoy throughout their lifespan in their natural setting has already been discussed earlier on this thread.
The observation I made a bunch of pages ago was that this reaction seems particularly vehement when the "odd lifestyle" is based on, or perceived to be based on, an ethical judgement.
Hardly anyone gets angry if you like to wear bright green pants. Tell them you like to wear bright green pants because you believe wearing other colors of pants is wrong and you get a different reaction.
It isn't that hard to establish the basic facts of animal welfare (or lack thereof) in factory farming.
Take the life of a battery hen (though practically everyone claims they like to buy cage-free eggs, someone is eating the other 90%+). The basic facts of that miserable existence (practices such as beak trimming, exacerbated skeletal problems, complete confinement) aren't even disputed by producers organizations.
Another possibility is it's an internal child thought of "What makes them feel their so special! Where's my attention?" .
Good old pop-psychology analysis.
I guess we tend to judge from a human perspective - its all we know - hence moral standards can be higher than their natural circumstance. Perhaps only fair though if we as humans are the instigators and creator of that world? That in itself is a moral stance..
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We could also claim a lack of direct communication from humans about their suffering in a situation (imagine some kind of torture/enslavement of people of an invaded land) also calls into question their actual suffering. Just because they talk a wierd language the invaders don't understand..
Have to make a judgement somehow because of the lack of direct communication (these is communication of sorts - signs of stress). That is likely going to be a jugement made on the basis of a) the morals of the judge b) the desired outcome (e.g. not to feel bad about things).
That should be stopped, cage-free aren't expensive, and I'm a peasant (not joking)
Saw a vegan friend this afternoon at the garden where I do some voluntary work. She does follow the philosophy of veganism as described by The Vegan Society. She said she's aware of vegans who follow the philosophy but for whom the prime motivation is not the ethical one. She said she found this surprising which I thought was interesting. So we talked mostly about the environmental aspect. I suggested that it may take a very long time for everyone to become vegan, I said maybe a thousand years, just an arbitrary figure really, she said it will be too late by then, we won't exist as a species. I was surprised by this, she seems quite sensible but the implication was that it's the only way to save to world, I guess is what she meant, I didn't pursue it.
I guess so - since I've been insulted before anyone new if I had ethical reasons or not. "Perceived" must have played a large role there. 😉
I could see that. And there is the jealousy when catering brings my veggy meal because often looks better than the meat meal. (as mentioned earlier in the thread) The don't remember all the times that it takes 20 minutes or more longer to get a meal delivered, and the dozen requests need to get it. It's all part of the deal. You get used to it.
I don't think she is wrong. Personally I give humanity in its present state 2 generations, 3 at the most.
But the problem as I see it is overpopulation and veganism doesn't do anything to address that.
Kinda wondering if the songwriter, Rick Evans, may have been overly optimistic regarding the timescale!
"Professor Stephen Hawking thinks the human species will have to populate a new planet within 100 years if it is to survive,"Just be happy, build circuits, listen to lots of music while we slide into to the abyss.
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