There are environmental and other externalities (including animal welfare) that the purchaser doesn't bear.
Around here it already has. It is up to $5.49/lb, $4.99/lb on sale.
I pretty much quit buying beef except the fillet mignon end cuts when they go on sale for $9.99/lb.
Although you can get ground chuck for $3.99/lb. It makes for a good meatloaf.
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Was it ever? In college (1969) the shoe leather chuck steaks were 29 cents a pound.
Well, seriously there is no guarantee that they would live "long and prosper". Rules of Nature are pretty tough! Anyway that's not possible anymore except for those few areas of the world that are still fairly wild. Everywhere else men have taken their habitats. They have to be managed which sometimes implies killing. Otherwise you get something like this:
I cinghiali invadono la Capitale: decine di aggressioni, ma nessuno interviene
People that get assaulted, sometimes die. Not acceptable in urban areas or nearby. Of course men are responsible for this but there is no way back all of a sudden...
The odd thing about veganism is that if everyone became vegan there would be no need for animals so not as many would be bred.
I guess you could breed sheep for wool.
I guess you could breed sheep for wool.
I was vegan three years, lost about 50lbs. I would still be vegan but its too difficult obtain the food on a daily basis.
Also there is the question of what is meat, what are fruits and vegetables. I had a book on water. It said that in France there is a legal definition of water. If it could not meet the standards you could not call it water.
With genetic splicing now gone wild, who is to say what is meat and what is not.
To me that is the larger issue. Yes grow your on, go to farmer,s market etc. But seeds?
The US FDA has no clue on the long term effects putting walrus dna in a tomato.
The lines are too blurred.
Also there is the question of what is meat, what are fruits and vegetables. I had a book on water. It said that in France there is a legal definition of water. If it could not meet the standards you could not call it water.
With genetic splicing now gone wild, who is to say what is meat and what is not.
To me that is the larger issue. Yes grow your on, go to farmer,s market etc. But seeds?
The US FDA has no clue on the long term effects putting walrus dna in a tomato.
The lines are too blurred.
Interesting discussion.
I personally eat meat, in modest quantities, and am very conscious of animal welfare. Wherever I can I buy free range meat and hate the idea of feed lot cattle. Thankfully most cattle in Australia live in pastures and by all accounts appear quite healthy and happy. We have our own hens so we can guarantee all the eggs we consume are from happy chooks. I find the battery hen concept disgusting.
I have a vegan Sister-In-Law and the hypocrisy surrounding her is amazing. I look at her car, her furniture, her handbags and shoes and think to myself "That ain't vegan". I guess most vegans are a bit smarter than her and have a broader look at their total impact.
I personally eat meat, in modest quantities, and am very conscious of animal welfare. Wherever I can I buy free range meat and hate the idea of feed lot cattle. Thankfully most cattle in Australia live in pastures and by all accounts appear quite healthy and happy. We have our own hens so we can guarantee all the eggs we consume are from happy chooks. I find the battery hen concept disgusting.
I have a vegan Sister-In-Law and the hypocrisy surrounding her is amazing. I look at her car, her furniture, her handbags and shoes and think to myself "That ain't vegan". I guess most vegans are a bit smarter than her and have a broader look at their total impact.
In Australia we also are lucky to have kangaroo meat as an option.That is as free range as you can get.
I am SO disappointed we don't make better use of that resource. We cull thousands of them in my home town to stop them from starving to death and nearly all of them get dumped in pits in the ground. What a terrible waste! If nothing else, grind them up, dry them and use them as fertilizer for crops.
So, The Vegan Society do own the word? I know for one thing, if somebody called themselves vegan, I'm not going to tell them they're not.
To quote The Vegan Society:
"Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose."
I stand by what I said in post #630.
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Plenty here have said they are vegan but don't follow that to the letter. Where does it leave them?
Depends why it is cheap.
If something is cheap because it is made in human extermination camps during a genocide, would you not rather pay more and make sure it was made from something more ethical (whist obviously wanting to put an end to the camps and the genocide)?
Same can be applied to factory farming and then extrapolated to any animal product to varying degrees, the sliding scale of which determined by the individual's outlook on life.
It just depends on your personal morals (whether one supports the harsher suffering of animals to make something cheaper for oneself... )
Possible also unaware that there are written rules surrounding personal behaviour.
And also leaves them burdened with other people's labelling and pigeon-holing that is not their problem...
If I choose not to eat meat or animal products but wear wool, why should people insist that I'm vegan or why should I feel compelled to tell people I'm vegan?
Sadly it's mainly because most people have to have these labels and pigeon-holes to make sense of the their world and can't cope with such infinite variety of individuals. I see that so often in work related social groups (i.e. not people I'd choose as friends) "Why can't they do xyz like everyone else! " Seemingly real anger at people being different, almost a resentment at their own urge to conform or something?
So then you have to pigeonhole yourself just to get the basic understanding down (so they don't feed you bacon).
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