I believe you just answered your own question.Are they now? Where does it say that? I see 'GECOM Technologies GmbH' and a calibration number
Actually the article draws several conclusions. All audiophile fuses tested better than stock fuses. Cryogenically treated fuses tested better than non cryo’d fuses. And you’re right, HiFi tuning cryo’d fuses tested best of all. Of course, they didn’t say which ones sounded best. But I suspect you’re probably OK with that.
So now you’re complaining that an audiophile tweak company publishes test data that supports their claims. Gosh, these guys can’t catch a break!
So now you’re complaining that an audiophile tweak company publishes test data that supports their claims. Gosh, these guys can’t catch a break!
No, dear. You have wilfully misquoted what I said by carefully omitting the second half of the sentence. So I'll repeat it here: '...completely devoid of context as headers at the top of each page, but nothing to say they did anything at all.'I believe you just answered your own question.
Which was then followed up by the rather significant: No information on test setup / equipment, conditions, calibration data, methodolgy, timings, analysis or anything else.
Very interesting (as they would say on Laugh In).
Ah -it's now become an 'article' rather than a test report.Actually the article draws several conclusions. All audiophile fuses tested better than stock fuses.
Very interesting...
Did they? You regularly draw conculsions from 'tests' devoid of data on test setups, methodolgy, conditions, equipment, calibration data etc., which is hosted by a given company and expends considerable effort just happening to promote their products? Last I checked, a test report on engineering characteristics doesn't generally provide such profound conclusions as 'x is better' sans commentary and careful analysis on what they are talking about and why either.All audiophile fuses tested better than stock fuses. Cryogenically treated fuses tested better than non cryo’d fuses. And you’re right, HiFi tuning cryo’d fuses tested best of all.
Absolutely. The moment I start fantasising (or frankly giving a trajectory copulation) that I can hear a fuse is the point that I need to find something better to do. 😉Of course, they didn’t say which ones sounded best. But I suspect you’re probably OK with that.
So now you’re complaining that an audiophile tweak company publishes test data that supports their claims. Gosh, these guys can’t catch a break!
Complaining? Not at all. Pointing out the gaping flaws, yes. Speaking for myself, I don't usually just swallow what I'm told (or have presented ) by salespeople, especially when it's self-evident junk. Catch a break? No, I see no reason to do so.
All of which is most (very?) interesting if you happen to be interested in fuses, but we're still waiting for the information you were going to provide us on how speaker wire, if laid in one direction, has measurably greater voltage drop than if laid in another.
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The skeptic’s mantra - What about this? What about that?
People would be much better off if they believed in too much rather than too little. - PT Barnum
People would be much better off if they believed in too much rather than too little. - PT Barnum
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Here’s a clue for you all, the Walrus was Paul.
GECOM Technologies
https://www.gecom-technologies.com/
GECOM Technologies
https://www.gecom-technologies.com/
In that case, I've got a bargain N-ray generator that's up for sale if you're interested. 😉The skeptic’s mantra - What about this? What about that?
People would be much better off if they believed in too much rather than too little. - PT Barnum
On a more serious note -it was that sort of 'it'll be fine' attitude that just got five people killed on that death-trap of a submersible. So -yes. I think an evidence based approach to engineering (especially when engineering terms are invoked) is a good idea. Rather better than winging it.
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You appear to have posted a link to GECOM. What about them?Here’s a clue for you all, the Walrus was Paul.
GECOM Technologies
https://www.gecom-technologies.com/
Simple. You post a link to a German website. What about them? Is there something specific on there you wish to draw attention to? If so, please indicate what, with a specific link and clear reference. I'm not going to speculate, or wile away my limited leisure hours going through an entire site trying to locate something you may, or may not, be referring to.
That’s the company that tested the fuses for HiFi tuning way back When. The name at the top of the data sheets. Hel-loo!
Did they? I repeat my previous statement:
I see they provide a link to the 'Hifi tuning' site -but (alas), the only reference appears to be an advert for that site that paraphrases what they themselves claim. My German is not what it was when I left school, but loosely translating:
This is an information page for everyone who loves music and wants to hear it through their system as it was recorded, without having to pay six-digit sums!
Wolf von Langa field coil speakers
Which looks remarkably like the statement made on the 'hi-fi tuning' site:
This is an information page for all who love music and want to hear at their own Hifi - Equipment what has actually been recorded - without loss and paying too much money!
All very laudable -until you recall it's a commercial site selling product. In this case, expensive fuses. Oh, for my lost innocence.
Incidentally -while a mildly diverting 'divergence' -still waiting for the information you were going to provide showing speaker wire has measurably greater voltage drop if laid out in one direction than the other. Since you were the one who raised that particular subject, and invoked basic electrical engineering -onus is on you. I'm always glad to be proven wrong if the facts are available. That's how science works.
Perhaps you can point to where it states they did these inept 'tests', their methodoloy, setup, conditions etc.Where does it say that? I see 'GECOM Technologies GmbH' and a calibration number completely devoid of context as headers at the top of each page, but nothing to say they did anything at all. No information on test setup / equipment, conditions, calibration data, methodolgy, timings, analysis or anything else. Given the repeated references to 'Hifi Tuning' who mysteriously host the pdf, the fact that it repeatedly follows that name-check with 'gives the best results' (surprise!), and the improbable nature of the text content from any reputable testing company, it appears to have been written by themselves.
I see they provide a link to the 'Hifi tuning' site -but (alas), the only reference appears to be an advert for that site that paraphrases what they themselves claim. My German is not what it was when I left school, but loosely translating:
This is an information page for everyone who loves music and wants to hear it through their system as it was recorded, without having to pay six-digit sums!
Wolf von Langa field coil speakers
Which looks remarkably like the statement made on the 'hi-fi tuning' site:
This is an information page for all who love music and want to hear at their own Hifi - Equipment what has actually been recorded - without loss and paying too much money!
All very laudable -until you recall it's a commercial site selling product. In this case, expensive fuses. Oh, for my lost innocence.
Incidentally -while a mildly diverting 'divergence' -still waiting for the information you were going to provide showing speaker wire has measurably greater voltage drop if laid out in one direction than the other. Since you were the one who raised that particular subject, and invoked basic electrical engineering -onus is on you. I'm always glad to be proven wrong if the facts are available. That's how science works.
“On a more serious note -it was that sort of 'it'll be fine' attitude that just got five people killed on that death-trap of a submersible. So -yes. I think an evidence based approach to engineering (especially when engineering terms are invoked) is a good idea. Rather better than winging it.”
Wow, what’s next, directional fuses cause cancer? Audiophile tweaks cause brain damage?
Wow, what’s next, directional fuses cause cancer? Audiophile tweaks cause brain damage?
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The pot calling the kettle black 😉The problem with your argument regrading fuse holders is even if there is an audible problem with them systemically or generally, which I doubt, the affect on the sound would be unpredictable. Whereas the affect on the sound of the fuse wire itself is predictable, transferrable and repeatable. You say fuse holders are crappy. Show me one peer reviewed study that shows there is an audible issue with fusechooders.
YOU show any serious measurement backing your NONSENSE.
Here's my attempt at "whataboutism:"it’s evidence of directionality, not proof.
I wonder, what is the technical difference between evidence and proof?
I believe you just answered your own question.
True enough, the answer being:Scottmoose said:
Are they now? Where does it say that? I see 'GECOM Technologies GmbH' and a calibration number
1) WHO is "Geocom Technologies" anyway?
2) WHAT verifiable qualifications do they have?
Besides self written praise that is.
Typical snake oil quality.
Happily not, because they don´t exist.Wow, what’s next, directional fuses cause cancer?
Audiophool Snake oil believers certainly show some kind of brain damage.Audiophile tweaks cause brain damage?
If a cable seems to sound differnt i would suspect the connectors much more than the cable itself. Long time ago I had issues when measuring Thiele Small parameters on a batch of JBL 2215 speakers. Measurements where inconsistant in multiple ways. Turned out that the spring loaded connectors where the problem. And yes, i could hear it, and measure as well.
Yes, contact resistances can vary. But does that make audible differences ? Maybe, if it is that bad.
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