All of this has already been discussed.
Because I like to view my experiences with aopen and TBSC with OGG and MPC and how they have improved my audio-pc life.
Because I like to view my experiences with aopen and TBSC with OGG and MPC and how they have improved my audio-pc life.
So does OGG not stay around 192 when using the 'quality setting'?
While there are two ways to set it, fixed and quality..
I see both variations in the bitrate of OGG reguardless of the selection of ither...
So you must ask yourself, do you feel lucky?
Use MPC...
While there are two ways to set it, fixed and quality..
I see both variations in the bitrate of OGG reguardless of the selection of ither...
So you must ask yourself, do you feel lucky?
Use MPC...
And with HDDs as big and as cheap as they are now... why wouldnt you use lossless?
And while 80% of the world is still using CD-R's to burn most of their audio compilations to once they've filled their hard drives, who cares about hard drive space right?
Ahh Okay, go out and buy that cheap MaXtor poop then in 18 months *poof* *bang* ALL of it is gone...
Like placing your eggs in one basket to me...
Theres also a money flow devide, I could barely afford a DVD-RW
I sure as hell can't afford another $200 drive in 2 years time.
Once we all move to DVD-R we should be okay..
Much more redundant, yes, Much more cheaper? I do not know on that one... maybe in the future...
But the starting price is now like $230 for a drive, $3 per 4.7gig cd.
So what if you get 120gig per drive per $200, it's all in the same place, easily accessible, always spinning, prone to manufacturing defects much greater than DVD-RW's are..but all in the same place
Of course this is all bull, who wants 25 cd's just for the space of a 3.5in drive?
*removing unnecessary dribble*
Maybe I should have bought four hard drives, then again I don't want to increase the audio limit and overdo my wall buffering 🙂
Good idea for anyone who has their PC in another room...
Bad for the majority or aka everyone else 😛
And while 80% of the world is still using CD-R's to burn most of their audio compilations to once they've filled their hard drives, who cares about hard drive space right?
Ahh Okay, go out and buy that cheap MaXtor poop then in 18 months *poof* *bang* ALL of it is gone...
Like placing your eggs in one basket to me...
Theres also a money flow devide, I could barely afford a DVD-RW
I sure as hell can't afford another $200 drive in 2 years time.
Once we all move to DVD-R we should be okay..
Much more redundant, yes, Much more cheaper? I do not know on that one... maybe in the future...
But the starting price is now like $230 for a drive, $3 per 4.7gig cd.
So what if you get 120gig per drive per $200, it's all in the same place, easily accessible, always spinning, prone to manufacturing defects much greater than DVD-RW's are..but all in the same place
Of course this is all bull, who wants 25 cd's just for the space of a 3.5in drive?
*removing unnecessary dribble*
Maybe I should have bought four hard drives, then again I don't want to increase the audio limit and overdo my wall buffering 🙂
Good idea for anyone who has their PC in another room...
Bad for the majority or aka everyone else 😛
But of course this is all against the quality of the sound anyway...
using the M-AUDIO | Audiophile 2496.
2 Seagate 80GB Hard Drives
1 Maxtor 300GB Hard Drive
Kudos to you! I'm sure you will LOVE the noise generated by those...and that of not of your Audiophile 2496.
using the M-AUDIO | Audiophile 2496.
2 Seagate 80GB Hard Drives
1 Maxtor 300GB Hard Drive
Kudos to you! I'm sure you will LOVE the noise generated by those...and that of not of your Audiophile 2496.
While the noise level of CD drives in general have decreased dramatically since the most well-known brands have improved or added their noise damping tech and-or allowed for slower spindle speed of cd's while doing small tasks..
I made it a descision to place my Pioneer DVR-106 in a firewire cabinet and on an extension to my desk.
I couldn't be happier with the idea, the 40mm fan at the back produces no more noise than the drive itself, *hardly any!
*While in full-speed operation.
The only completely silent hard drive i've ever heard was a Seagate 10gig I bought off ebay not a few months back.
Cheers!
I made it a descision to place my Pioneer DVR-106 in a firewire cabinet and on an extension to my desk.
I couldn't be happier with the idea, the 40mm fan at the back produces no more noise than the drive itself, *hardly any!
*While in full-speed operation.
The only completely silent hard drive i've ever heard was a Seagate 10gig I bought off ebay not a few months back.
Cheers!
badges?... we don't need no stinking badges!
i guess i should have made my intensions a little more clear when
i posted. This setup is for "background" listening, or when i'm not
sitting in the sweet spot getting all anal about the sound...
Surprisingly this is about 50% of the time i listen to music... like
when i'm working, etc.
Anyways, with moderate care this setup will be quiet... not silent,
but i'm not asking it to be! The gains are that i have my entire
CD library on disc, easily accessable. random play, play lists, etc.
all rips are with EAC to .wav files... i'm not going to bother with
mp3 when hdd's are so cheap. BUT, it also allows me to listen to
mp3's that i download from the net.
i think it's a neat, fun idea... should it all be so serious? I've made
a conscious decision to LISTEN to more music and try to back off
from being so dead serious, and hardware motivated.
😉
m.
i guess i should have made my intensions a little more clear when
i posted. This setup is for "background" listening, or when i'm not
sitting in the sweet spot getting all anal about the sound...
Surprisingly this is about 50% of the time i listen to music... like
when i'm working, etc.
Anyways, with moderate care this setup will be quiet... not silent,
but i'm not asking it to be! The gains are that i have my entire
CD library on disc, easily accessable. random play, play lists, etc.
all rips are with EAC to .wav files... i'm not going to bother with
mp3 when hdd's are so cheap. BUT, it also allows me to listen to
mp3's that i download from the net.
i think it's a neat, fun idea... should it all be so serious? I've made
a conscious decision to LISTEN to more music and try to back off
from being so dead serious, and hardware motivated.
😉
m.
Interesting - I am going the other way - removal of every source except the PC.
I have ripped all my CD's to Windows Media using the lossless option (which is mathematically identical - i.e pretty much like zip).
I have not completed integration but my personal conviction is that given enough attention to detail I should be able to achieve the same sound quality as from traditional sources such as CD players.
Petter
I have ripped all my CD's to Windows Media using the lossless option (which is mathematically identical - i.e pretty much like zip).
I have not completed integration but my personal conviction is that given enough attention to detail I should be able to achieve the same sound quality as from traditional sources such as CD players.
Petter
M-Audio is probably your best bet for PC audio, or a USB soundcard. You can make these yourself easily or buy one. M-Audio sell one, Also send MWP an email. he built a 96/24 USB soundcard using a Ti IC 🙂genes said:
Yep, True. It's due to the switching frequencies of circuitry inside a computer. A computer PSU switches at around 90khz, a CPU SMPS switches at around 300KHz. And i wouldent consider the quality of components on a motherboard to be anything amazing.AudioFreak said:
This is why an external USB s/c with its own supply rails would probably be better
Although Creative labs products are junk, and their business practices are somewhat less than ethical(example being their hostile takeover of Aureal - creators of the 3d sound API Basicly) i wouldent go by what Tomshardware says either. get a second, third opinion. as long as its not from places such as tweaktown,hardocp or tomshardware. 3dssg,doom9, anandtech and dans hardware would be good sourcesjteef said:
I wouldent consider this a proper test, although the sblives sound quality is quite poor its not the worst that is out there. Your measurements are limited by the AC97 driven Output and Input(not to mention the horrible noise floor on the input).R. McAnally said:
Also do a test with the secondary sound out. as this is routed via the I2S bus it completely bypasses any AC97 Codec interference(horrible) and will result in alot better sound quality
MWP said:
be careful, onboard smps circuitry, chipsets etc rely on airflow from the CPU fan, and there are many underrated components inside a computer power supply(for example 1watt resistors that have been thermal-epoxied to heatsinks) that also rely on the airflow. You could chuck 2 psus in parallel and reduce the combined efficiency.. but ultimately you will find than the ~20-40% inefficiency of a computer power supply, combined with well over 100 watts of heat being dissipated inside a metal box is going to cook.. however.. good luck. 🙂
I have a Audigy 2 soundcard,and I have ordered a DFI Infinity NF2
ultra with onboard sound.Is it better to use the onboard sound,
I read that you don´t like the Audigy cards.And I am planing to build a DIY DAC is the S/PDIF signal better on the onboard.How does the M-Audio cards compare to the onboard?
ultra with onboard sound.Is it better to use the onboard sound,
I read that you don´t like the Audigy cards.And I am planing to build a DIY DAC is the S/PDIF signal better on the onboard.How does the M-Audio cards compare to the onboard?
The Audigy2 will probably be better than the on-board nForce SoundStorm.
SoundStorm does resample to 48Khz... i not sure if the Audigy2 does.
The only thing that the SoundStrom has going for it is that it does DolbyDigital encoding.
M-Audio cards will be a lot better than the onboard and the Audigy2.
SoundStorm does resample to 48Khz... i not sure if the Audigy2 does.
The only thing that the SoundStrom has going for it is that it does DolbyDigital encoding.
M-Audio cards will be a lot better than the onboard and the Audigy2.
unfortunately that page is almost 2 years out of date, last edited in march 2002....
lots of new soundcards since then, lots of new chips too like the ENVY 24/96 among others so take the results with a grain of salt or ten.
lots of new soundcards since then, lots of new chips too like the ENVY 24/96 among others so take the results with a grain of salt or ten.
MWP said:The Audigy2 will probably be better than the on-board nForce SoundStorm.
SoundStorm does resample to 48Khz... i not sure if the Audigy2 does.
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It does; the Audigy 2 is to me the poorest of the bunch. Only marketing hype for gamers.
The Audigy 2 is actually not that bad.
I've used it for almost a year driving gainclones directly and making a digital x-over/equaliser for open dipoles. It has a good detail level and I can't hear any noise in my setup. It's way better then any built-in sound and the old generation of SB live and Turtle Beach cards.
I will though, when I can afford, replace it with maybe a M-audio Firewire 410 or something equal that's connected with an outside bus.
Anders
Recent update on Audio PC
OK, I have just received the majority of my Audio PC parts. Spent the last few days on assembly & loading the software.
The Hardware :
1) VIA Mini-itx EPIA Me-6000 fanless motherboard
2) 512MB PC2700 DDR RAM
3) 160GB Seagate HDD
4) RME sound card
5) 7" touchscreen
6)100W DC-DC power convertor & outboard brick power supply
The setup above is nowhere near a powerful a the temporary setup as reviewed earlier. However, there is no difference in its performance & tasks / mission. The comments I had earlier is reconfirmed again using this setup. The added advantage of this setup is that there is no fan noise. However, the seagate HDD is not as quiet as it should be. I am in the process of purchasing a silencing enclosure for it though.
Area for improvement
1) Add Word Clock Module & Apogee Big Ben clock conditioner to minimise artifacts of jitter
2) change to linear power supply as per suggestion by my fellow forum member
3) design & construct a good chassis / housing
More review upcoming when improvement 1 is done
Regards,
Joe Ling
OK, I have just received the majority of my Audio PC parts. Spent the last few days on assembly & loading the software.
The Hardware :
1) VIA Mini-itx EPIA Me-6000 fanless motherboard
2) 512MB PC2700 DDR RAM
3) 160GB Seagate HDD
4) RME sound card
5) 7" touchscreen
6)100W DC-DC power convertor & outboard brick power supply
The setup above is nowhere near a powerful a the temporary setup as reviewed earlier. However, there is no difference in its performance & tasks / mission. The comments I had earlier is reconfirmed again using this setup. The added advantage of this setup is that there is no fan noise. However, the seagate HDD is not as quiet as it should be. I am in the process of purchasing a silencing enclosure for it though.
Area for improvement
1) Add Word Clock Module & Apogee Big Ben clock conditioner to minimise artifacts of jitter
2) change to linear power supply as per suggestion by my fellow forum member
3) design & construct a good chassis / housing
More review upcoming when improvement 1 is done
Regards,
Joe Ling
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Check the Seagate web site for HDD configuration software.
Your Seagate HDD might be one of those that has a "low-noise" setting.
BTW... do you have any details (web page, etc), on that power supply module?
Your Seagate HDD might be one of those that has a "low-noise" setting.
BTW... do you have any details (web page, etc), on that power supply module?
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