Caps
Yes the N's are better in the signal. I prefer the BG N's in Super E-Cap configuration in position 2421 and 2429. Sounds like NO cap is in the signal. Very clean and revealing!!!
But you can also replace them with BG standard, or PIO (paper in Oil) or foil caps or even replace them by output transformers. Depending on your tast in sound, used interconnect cables, other tweaks etc.
I suggest you try the BG STD first, this is also an improvement to the initial caps in the player and move on later to the N's in Super E-Cap, than you'll hear the difference.
Saffier
Yes the N's are better in the signal. I prefer the BG N's in Super E-Cap configuration in position 2421 and 2429. Sounds like NO cap is in the signal. Very clean and revealing!!!
But you can also replace them with BG standard, or PIO (paper in Oil) or foil caps or even replace them by output transformers. Depending on your tast in sound, used interconnect cables, other tweaks etc.
I suggest you try the BG STD first, this is also an improvement to the initial caps in the player and move on later to the N's in Super E-Cap, than you'll hear the difference.
Saffier
Philips DVP-9000S Cineos... And upgrades
Hello everyone. I've just bought a Philips DVP-9000S Cineos (the venerable 963SA's successor). From an electronics point of view, it seems to be similar, although I've yet to confirm this by opening up the two units and comparing them.
What really bothers me at this moment with the DVP-9000 is the audible vibrations during CD or DVD playback, a drawback inherited from the 963.
I already know that many people have tweaked the digital and analog circuitries of their 963s (and I'm sure the same will happen with the 9000). The thing is, what really matters to me at this particular time is to silence the transport, because it's very annoying during those late night moderate volume listening sessions. Any ideas? I read the other threads, but I can't find Plastik Fermit here in Greece, so I guess I'm forgetting about this material. Any other suggestions?
Hello everyone. I've just bought a Philips DVP-9000S Cineos (the venerable 963SA's successor). From an electronics point of view, it seems to be similar, although I've yet to confirm this by opening up the two units and comparing them.
What really bothers me at this moment with the DVP-9000 is the audible vibrations during CD or DVD playback, a drawback inherited from the 963.
I already know that many people have tweaked the digital and analog circuitries of their 963s (and I'm sure the same will happen with the 9000). The thing is, what really matters to me at this particular time is to silence the transport, because it's very annoying during those late night moderate volume listening sessions. Any ideas? I read the other threads, but I can't find Plastik Fermit here in Greece, so I guess I'm forgetting about this material. Any other suggestions?
Hi,
I find it interesting to read that your transport is noisy. I believe that one of the things they changed (due to reliability problems) since the 963 is the transport mechanism! The 963 uses a Yamaha unit. There was a firmware update to the 963 which reduced the noise. I'd be interested to know what the 9000/900SA looks like inside, perhaps you could post a photograph once the warrantee period has expired.
You could try some blu-tak or cork !
Cheers,
Jon
I find it interesting to read that your transport is noisy. I believe that one of the things they changed (due to reliability problems) since the 963 is the transport mechanism! The 963 uses a Yamaha unit. There was a firmware update to the 963 which reduced the noise. I'd be interested to know what the 9000/900SA looks like inside, perhaps you could post a photograph once the warrantee period has expired.
You could try some blu-tak or cork !
Cheers,
Jon
I'll try to scan a photo from a magazine review. It seems they're using a DVD-ROM drive now. Oh, regarding the firmware updates, the whole ianc.net domain seems to have been lost in outer space now. 🙁
Hi,
I expect using a standard DVD-ROM mechanism keeps the price down.
I wonder what speed it's spinning the disk at, perhaps that's why it's noisy? It could be reading (and even re-reading) from the DVD at x16 and then buffering the data in ram. Reading faster than the standard x1 will give the decoder more time to process the mpeg stream before it has to be displayd.
It'd be interested in seeing the magazine picture.
Fortunately I downloaded the firmware for the 963 from ianc.net before it disappeared !
Regards,
Jon
I expect using a standard DVD-ROM mechanism keeps the price down.
I wonder what speed it's spinning the disk at, perhaps that's why it's noisy? It could be reading (and even re-reading) from the DVD at x16 and then buffering the data in ram. Reading faster than the standard x1 will give the decoder more time to process the mpeg stream before it has to be displayd.
It'd be interested in seeing the magazine picture.
Fortunately I downloaded the firmware for the 963 from ianc.net before it disappeared !
Regards,
Jon
JonHarrison said:
Hi Jon,
Unfortunately I didn't download the firmware for the 963 from ianc.net before it dissapeared.
I would greatly appreciate it if you would send it to me as an email attachment. 😀
Thanks,
Wayne
Hi Jon,
Hello, my first time posting here.
Is the firmware version 7.12.0 for the servo that can fix the noise problem?
I am also bothered by a ticking noise from the laser optical pick-up. I have searched throughout the web space, and someone mentioned it's an issue with the optical pick up system, not likely can be fixed. I have carefully applied Rope Caulk (bought it from Wal-Mart) everywhere around the transport and even the laser pick-up like everyone else did. But I don't see any reduction in that ticking noise. I am extremely curious if any firmware update will be able to reduce or even fix this issue.
I could only find firmware 4.81.25 with servo version 7.10.0. Is it possible you can also send me a copy of the firmware which would fix the noise problem. thank you very much.
I am not sure if my problem on the 963SA is the same as the noise caused by vibration from previous post. I only hear noise when reading some CDs, not for DVD and SACD. And it seems the noise on the first few tracks of a CD is louder than later tracks.
I can understand we get what we pay for. But such a problem in a $500 player is definitely unacceptable.
Aside from the noise problem, I have done few extra upgrade after I purchased my used 963SA from a member at audiogon.
The player has been previously moded by sacdmods
http://www.sacdmods.com/DVD963SA.htm
Here's what I did after my purchase.
1. Replaced the stock BC power cap with BG 200v 200uF WK "power tank" (bass became more solid)
2. Replaced the power caps on the Power board for LC Audio ZapFilter with BG.
3. Replaced the following cap with BG standard
#2312, #2635, #2610, #2317 #2314
4. Removed two Nichicon Fine Gold #2421, #2429 and replaced them on #2612, #2620
5. Replace the sample rate converter AD1895 with TI SRC4192, this is a direct replacement, pin to pin compatible.
I actually have requested sample of AD1896 from ADI, but before I had a chance to change it, I learned about SRC4192. So I simply ordered it from TI and replace it instead of AS1896.
This was actually done with help from my friend who work in a lab of a network equipment company. I don't think I can do it without the assitance of those speaical soldering equipment which can deal with such narrow pins of the chip.
I also thought about stacking AD1955 and ordered extra parts, but seems too tricky for me. I guess I will give it up.
I am pretty happy with the sound now except the bass is still not satisfatory. I guess there is no way I will be able to tweak this poor Philips baby to match the bass performance of Ayre CX-7.
As long as I can get rid of the annoying ticking noise, I will stop tweaking and simply enjoy the music.
There is a price for the sound I have so far, the heat.
After I played a CD or DVD, the disc can be hotter than my Pass Lab power amp. It save me some gas cost in the winter, but definitely a pain in the summer.
Regards,
Chris
Hello, my first time posting here.
Is the firmware version 7.12.0 for the servo that can fix the noise problem?
I am also bothered by a ticking noise from the laser optical pick-up. I have searched throughout the web space, and someone mentioned it's an issue with the optical pick up system, not likely can be fixed. I have carefully applied Rope Caulk (bought it from Wal-Mart) everywhere around the transport and even the laser pick-up like everyone else did. But I don't see any reduction in that ticking noise. I am extremely curious if any firmware update will be able to reduce or even fix this issue.
I could only find firmware 4.81.25 with servo version 7.10.0. Is it possible you can also send me a copy of the firmware which would fix the noise problem. thank you very much.
I am not sure if my problem on the 963SA is the same as the noise caused by vibration from previous post. I only hear noise when reading some CDs, not for DVD and SACD. And it seems the noise on the first few tracks of a CD is louder than later tracks.
I can understand we get what we pay for. But such a problem in a $500 player is definitely unacceptable.
Aside from the noise problem, I have done few extra upgrade after I purchased my used 963SA from a member at audiogon.
The player has been previously moded by sacdmods
http://www.sacdmods.com/DVD963SA.htm
Here's what I did after my purchase.
1. Replaced the stock BC power cap with BG 200v 200uF WK "power tank" (bass became more solid)
2. Replaced the power caps on the Power board for LC Audio ZapFilter with BG.
3. Replaced the following cap with BG standard
#2312, #2635, #2610, #2317 #2314
4. Removed two Nichicon Fine Gold #2421, #2429 and replaced them on #2612, #2620
5. Replace the sample rate converter AD1895 with TI SRC4192, this is a direct replacement, pin to pin compatible.
I actually have requested sample of AD1896 from ADI, but before I had a chance to change it, I learned about SRC4192. So I simply ordered it from TI and replace it instead of AS1896.
This was actually done with help from my friend who work in a lab of a network equipment company. I don't think I can do it without the assitance of those speaical soldering equipment which can deal with such narrow pins of the chip.
I also thought about stacking AD1955 and ordered extra parts, but seems too tricky for me. I guess I will give it up.
I am pretty happy with the sound now except the bass is still not satisfatory. I guess there is no way I will be able to tweak this poor Philips baby to match the bass performance of Ayre CX-7.
As long as I can get rid of the annoying ticking noise, I will stop tweaking and simply enjoy the music.
There is a price for the sound I have so far, the heat.
After I played a CD or DVD, the disc can be hotter than my Pass Lab power amp. It save me some gas cost in the winter, but definitely a pain in the summer.
Regards,
Chris
I have a stock 963sa and I found the improvement from the bass can be obtained through the use of cones. For those that don't believe in cones, try it first before you conclude anything..
Also, I've had some skipping issues. On Mobile Fidelity's SACD of Mussorgsky's "Pictures At An Exhibition" (St. Louis Symphony Orchestra conducted by Leonard Slatkin), it stops playing at 1' 17" or 1' 22" of "The Old Castle" (track #4) and skips all the way to track #6. It also gives me some skipping on a normal CD, which plays normally on just about everything else.
I've experienced the noise on the first track (Part One) of Tangerine Dream's Rubycon. I'll start playing more and more discs to see if I bought a lemon. If I did, then I'll have it replaced.
I've experienced the noise on the first track (Part One) of Tangerine Dream's Rubycon. I'll start playing more and more discs to see if I bought a lemon. If I did, then I'll have it replaced.
Hi All,
In case anyone else requests them I have the following firmware files :-
4-81-25
4-81-24 (with servo 7-12)
4-81-22 (with servo 7-12)
Beta 1080i
Beta YUV
Beta RVB
Regards,
Jon
In case anyone else requests them I have the following firmware files :-
4-81-25
4-81-24 (with servo 7-12)
4-81-22 (with servo 7-12)
Beta 1080i
Beta YUV
Beta RVB
Regards,
Jon
Hi John ,
if it is possible i take all the diffrent Firmware-Versions .
Would you please send me the versions ?
Thank you
Greetings from Germany
Jürgen
if it is possible i take all the diffrent Firmware-Versions .
Would you please send me the versions ?
Thank you
Greetings from Germany
Jürgen
Anybody try to replace the laser head? Do somebody know the model no. ? Where can I order with a cheaper price?
Hello again bearbear,
I think it's a Yamaha mechanism - sold as VAL6011/14 'Mercury 2'. The Philips part number is 9305 023 61114. As far as I know it is only available as a complete assembly and you can't purchase the laser seperately unfortunately.
I think Donberg sell them, this looks like the one
http://www.donberg.ie/descript/l/lasrp172.htm
and they're NOT cheap !
Regards,
Jon
I think it's a Yamaha mechanism - sold as VAL6011/14 'Mercury 2'. The Philips part number is 9305 023 61114. As far as I know it is only available as a complete assembly and you can't purchase the laser seperately unfortunately.
I think Donberg sell them, this looks like the one
http://www.donberg.ie/descript/l/lasrp172.htm
and they're NOT cheap !
Regards,
Jon
laser assembly
Bearbearloo,
You can order a laser assembly at James , www.effectiveaudiomod.com . But is does not come cheap I think. It's a complete assembly.
If you only need the assembly for CD I can offer you a spare one for EUR 25,00 . It has sometimes problems reading SACD....
Good luck.
Rgds,
Saffier
Bearbearloo,
You can order a laser assembly at James , www.effectiveaudiomod.com . But is does not come cheap I think. It's a complete assembly.
If you only need the assembly for CD I can offer you a spare one for EUR 25,00 . It has sometimes problems reading SACD....
Good luck.
Rgds,
Saffier
Hello Jon,
Glad to hear from you and thanks for your information again 😉 BTW, did you have an audition about the new 9000S ? Any comment ?
Saffier,
Thanks for your offer but no need at this moment.
Glad to hear from you and thanks for your information again 😉 BTW, did you have an audition about the new 9000S ? Any comment ?
Saffier,
Thanks for your offer but no need at this moment.
Like I've written in earlier posts, I have the DVP9000S at my home (the rest of my equipment are a pair of Klipsch RB-25 speakers and an Audio Analogue Primo Settanta integrated amplifier). It sounds cleaner, with better resolution and pace than the 963. It feels somewhat less neutral, but it's more lively and rhythmic. Also, I think the bass is somewhat more substantial and is not of the "one-note" kind. However, I have noticed reading problems on one CD, one SACD (Mussorgsky's "Pictures" from MoFi) and transport vibrations on "Part 1" from Tangerine Dream's "Rubycon".
So far, I haven't had any other read/tracking problems and haven't noticed other noise and vibrations. The 963 was notorious for that; half of my CDs played with significant transport noise, forcing me to pump up the volume significantly. Not a pleasant experience with the previous speakers I had (Infinity Alpha 30: muddy, slow bass, mediocre mids and there was practically no stereo image and focusing to speak of. As for pace and rhythm... That was another story), but things improved significantly with the RB-25s.
So far, I haven't had any other read/tracking problems and haven't noticed other noise and vibrations. The 963 was notorious for that; half of my CDs played with significant transport noise, forcing me to pump up the volume significantly. Not a pleasant experience with the previous speakers I had (Infinity Alpha 30: muddy, slow bass, mediocre mids and there was practically no stereo image and focusing to speak of. As for pace and rhythm... That was another story), but things improved significantly with the RB-25s.
Upsampling is only used on PCM (cd) source. DSD is converted 'as is', because it is high resolution to start with.beppe61 said:
Although the differences were small, I found the 96KHz setting with the 963 the best compared to no upsampling. The 192KHz sounded a little soft in comparison. I'm not sure why, but the 96KHz sounded better with slightly more impact.