Here, same play, different angle:
I then link Afa to a series of posts, reproduced here:
Before I can answer, Sofaspud changes tack and the question is dropped until Afa brings it up again (see above).
I quote sofaspud’s question:
End of discussion.
In the meanwhile:
What is Bigun asking that isn’t possibly already answered? I’ve asked repeatedly for some clarification.
If posting quotes of your own words repeatedly in an attempt to seek clarification constitutes “dancing” to Bigun or gpauk, I can’t imagine what a horror show their wedding receptions were. Actually, in deference to gpauk, at least the food was palatable.
I then link Afa to a series of posts, reproduced here:
Before I can answer, Sofaspud changes tack and the question is dropped until Afa brings it up again (see above).
I quote sofaspud’s question:
And add:
[EDIT: “yes to both questions” would have been a better reply]
End of discussion.
In the meanwhile:
What is Bigun asking that isn’t possibly already answered? I’ve asked repeatedly for some clarification.
If posting quotes of your own words repeatedly in an attempt to seek clarification constitutes “dancing” to Bigun or gpauk, I can’t imagine what a horror show their wedding receptions were. Actually, in deference to gpauk, at least the food was palatable.
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WOW, you are a backtrack savant! Well done!
How long does it take you to solve a Rubik's Cube?
Never solved a Rubik’s cube but I have spent several hours and lots of money squinting at poorly-preserved microfiche tracking down original sources.
Lots of who said what & "no I didn't!" Let us try to clarify here....
Who is in Camp "A", those who believe, "know" we ARE being visited by Aliens, have been for decades & there is a cover-up, a conspiracy of disinformation. Let us say this is Zero along a scale of one to ten.
Who is in Camp "B", those who believe, "know" we are not being visited by Aliens, never were, it is all an outgrowth of the human condition & our flawed perceptions, prejudices & human "desires". Let say this a Ten along this scale of one to ten.
Feel free to align yourself somewhere else along this scale...& your reasons why you're not on either extreme.
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Who is in Camp "A", those who believe, "know" we ARE being visited by Aliens, have been for decades & there is a cover-up, a conspiracy of disinformation. Let us say this is Zero along a scale of one to ten.
Who is in Camp "B", those who believe, "know" we are not being visited by Aliens, never were, it is all an outgrowth of the human condition & our flawed perceptions, prejudices & human "desires". Let say this a Ten along this scale of one to ten.
Feel free to align yourself somewhere else along this scale...& your reasons why you're not on either extreme.
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Clearly stated question but I see lots of circumstantial evidence corroborating unidentified flying objects (UFO) or unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) and see more specific claims such as “visitation by aliens” as completely lacking. Cover-up is a loaded term but I know the lion’s share of the information on the phenomenon is still highly classified, per the few documents that have been recovered through research. Whether or not physical craft have been recovered seems likely and the people claiming so aren’t necessarily doing so without reason but I wouldn’t stake a claim on it myself without further proof.
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"The UFO phenomenon" is real in the sense that there are books, films, reports, studies, headlines, internet discussions, etc, etc. No one in their right mind would disagree with that.
If you mean "real" in some alternative sense, or "phenomenon" in some different sense, you should say so, plainly.
Many posts back, in this thread or the other, someone made the comment (paraphrased) that "since we don't fully understand gravity, does that mean I may float away tomorrow," and my answer would be "yes, that is what it means. But what we do know makes the odds of that happening so ridiculously slim that you shouldn't forget your shoes when you get dressed in the morning."
And there are some people that choose to be conflicted about whether or not to put on their shoes.
My position as stated earlier probably makes me a 9.5 on the Ellis Scale.
If you mean "real" in some alternative sense, or "phenomenon" in some different sense, you should say so, plainly.
Many posts back, in this thread or the other, someone made the comment (paraphrased) that "since we don't fully understand gravity, does that mean I may float away tomorrow," and my answer would be "yes, that is what it means. But what we do know makes the odds of that happening so ridiculously slim that you shouldn't forget your shoes when you get dressed in the morning."
And there are some people that choose to be conflicted about whether or not to put on their shoes.
My position as stated earlier probably makes me a 9.5 on the Ellis Scale.
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Maybe the mods could start a poll for this thread topic, using a version of the "Ellis" scale?
I’m assuming you’ve addressed this to me and I’m going to disagree with you readily.
First off, your problem with “phenomenon” strikes me as a personal one and one that is self-inflicted due to your lack of familiarity with the subject. Outside of a few folks here on DIYaudio, the nomenclature is nominally not a problem. All the peripheral stuff is just as easily referred to as “UFO culture” or when discussing the recorded history, “UFOlogy”. Insofar as I agree with your POV that there is a sociological/anthropological dimension to it as well, I think UFO culture is more than sufficient. Lastly, UAP (unidentified aerial phenomenon/phenomena) was termed to sidestep the cultural baggage of UFO, and in doing so established “”UAP” as an accepted shorthand. You don’t have to like it, but it is international shorthand at this point. Some of the old guard use “UFO phenomena/on” as an olive branch to the newer, more politically correct UAP.
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Yeah well, looks like I took you up on that and addressed you anyways. Feel free to get upset and leave for awhile or whatever it is you do.
Yes.
I always get the "we don't understand gravity" from one of the other conspiracy groups. The fact that gravity is used in so many engineering calculations, every day, and is so reliable, just goes right over the heads of the faithful. It's just a big old mystery, or even a hoax, and it's either fake or else we don't know squat about it. It's just buoyancy, or an illusion, or an illuminati hoax, or........
Oy vey. I lament all those years spent at university, being brainwashed with all those lies. Gravity! Round earth! THEY just want you to think that, dummy.
I'm firmly at a 9.5 ...however, if a 350 meter wide craft appeared some dozens of kilometers away on a sunny & bright day, a speck at first, descended & floated silently above an occupied football pitch at a slow speed & hovered thirty meters above an adjacent parking lot for "everybody" to see...I would be the first to approach the three who came 'slithering' out of the craft & would welcome them...
up & until that happens...
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up & until that happens...
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For accuracy and inclusiveness, my list should have read:
The UFO phenomenon" is real in the sense that there are sightings, books, films, reports, studies, headlines, internet discussions, etc, etc.
I'm sticking with the rest.
The UFO phenomenon" is real in the sense that there are sightings, books, films, reports, studies, headlines, internet discussions, etc, etc.
I'm sticking with the rest.
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