Anyone remember the "Phoenix Lights" incident from 1997?
Hundreds of people saw and videoed that monsterous "thing" over the city.
Yeah, they're all nuts, right?
Hundreds of people saw and videoed that monsterous "thing" over the city.
Yeah, they're all nuts, right?
So, we posit the existence of aliens, of a similar nature to us (ie explorers - not a given that a technological society of aliens would think like us), who are around in the same short (in astronomical terms) time frame, who have created craft that appear to violate physics as we know it (and yes, maybe that's something we have yet to learn), they notice us, travel here with all the difficulty and time that may well require, then don't bother to try and communicate?
Unless, of course, Douglas Adams is right...
Unless, of course, Douglas Adams is right...
That same quote came to my mind too but I try to stay out of this stuff.
Now I can't resist one question.
These objects in the sky that the military can't identify... this is the same US military that can't tell the difference between an Airbus A300 airliner on scheduled departure and climb from the airport, in a commercial air corridor - and an F14 military jet in a descent attack trajectory?
290 Dead doesn't inspire confidence in the US military's ability to identify any object in the sky if they can't identify a commercial airliner, in radio communication with Air Traffic Control, and a transponder turned on too.
David
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Cute, but the actual Phoenix Lights didn't travel at jet plane speeds.
It slowly moved over the city at about the speed of a blimp.
The photo you posted is a terrible rendition, dark black with just spots of light.
A friend of mine who lived in Phoenix and saw it says the sky was lighter than that photo, and the lights were on a huge boomerang-shaped vehicle.
The only reason I see jets, airliners and helicopters in the sky is because their engines make unmistakable sounds that immediately cause me to look up in the sky. Imagine seeing something in the night sky unlike anything you’ve ever seen before; it’s massive, silent, hovering. Then somebody who wasn’t there and knows nothing about the event tries to suggest you are delusional and misidentified a jet formation.
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Carrier Air Squadron Commander, David Fravor. Who was an eyewitness.
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My mis-recollection, about Wing Commander.
As far as I've read, none of them have claimed that. However, your asking of that question seeks to sidestep the point. Whatever they are, it's clear from the video and radar instrumented evidence, and also from the expert eyewitness reports of multiple jet flight officers, that the objects exhibited extremely exotic flight dynamics and physical platforms. Representing not merely radical advancement, but radically, radical advancement.
You seem smarter than this. These UFO reports are not by crowds of untrained and inexperienced onlookers. These are carrier based fighter jet pilots using their own two highly trained eyes. People whose lives depend on their sharp vision, cool level head, and are used to seeing other aircraft at all sorts of attitudes. What they reported seeing is then backed up by gun camera video, and also by shipborne radar. Aegis shipborne radar is what guided them to the objects in the first place. So, are you really suggesting that multiple fighter jet officers, in multiple fighter jets, plus their onboard cameras, plus surface ship radar were all delusional in confirming the same observation?
None of the Naval eyewitnesses have claimed alien pilots were in control. Their reports have only been about the objects, whatever intelligence controls them. In the Pentagon statement on the matter, which they just released, the Navy itself easily could have completely rejected the notion of aliens, but instead, the statement specifically mentions that they COULD NOT rule out an alien origin. The Navy did not have to add that last part. Think about WHY they would intentionally choose to add such a shocking possibility to a statement that was, undoubtedly, very carefully worded.
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People (and electronic sensors as well) see unidentified aerial phenomenon. No one disputes that that I'm aware of. But you seem to have that perception.
If unidentified, no "advancement," radical or otherwise, can be claimed.
If unidentified, proving the negative is not possible. Lots of things cannot be ruled out.
"Shocking possibility" is purely subjective.
I admit I haven't read the carefully worded statement. If they can't rule out alien origin, the honesty is more refreshing than bothersome.
"...used to seeing other aircraft..." The eyewitness stuff has been covered several pages back. Many professionals are trained to see things. But there's no such thing as an expert eyewitness.
My reference to Mackay was in response to the quoted "coordinated disinformation campaign" comment. I'm not sure why you chose to apply it as some sort of blanket refutation of the entire comment.
If unidentified, no "advancement," radical or otherwise, can be claimed.
If unidentified, proving the negative is not possible. Lots of things cannot be ruled out.
"Shocking possibility" is purely subjective.
I admit I haven't read the carefully worded statement. If they can't rule out alien origin, the honesty is more refreshing than bothersome.
"...used to seeing other aircraft..." The eyewitness stuff has been covered several pages back. Many professionals are trained to see things. But there's no such thing as an expert eyewitness.
My reference to Mackay was in response to the quoted "coordinated disinformation campaign" comment. I'm not sure why you chose to apply it as some sort of blanket refutation of the entire comment.
Remember the politician (I think it was the mayor of Phoenix) who did the media release a little while after the event with the person in the alien costume? He later apologized. Probably because he realized that the many people who saw something, and that he was making fun of, wouldn’t vote for him next election. That politician’s behaviour after the incident is typical. What should have happened, after hundreds of people saw the same UFO at the same time, hovering over a large city, is a serious investigation. Instead what happened was ridicule and suppression. In this environment, isn’t it reasonable to suggest that a measured and thorough consideration of the event, and similar events, is impossible? The videos that are the subject of this thread were released by the Pentagon. Is a release from an agency of the government less or more trustworthy than the eyewitness reports of hundreds of otherwise unrelated people in Phoenix? How many people need to corroborate in order for naysayers to accept that an object that is flying and unidentified was seen? Pointing to plane formations or geese as an explanation for Phoenix doesn’t cut it. If it was planes, why not just say so and show the evidence rather than saying nothing and then ridiculing those hundreds of people who saw something?
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The politician was Arizona governor Fife Symington. He was also a witness to the Phoenix Lights themselves, which makes his mockery all the more strange.
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Aircrafts flying in formation should easily be audible. Anyone should be able to tell the sound of conventional aircrafts especially if they fly low enough to be heard. Blimps are usually more quiet but I guess they could fly in formation.
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You really are working quite hard at remaining oblivious. A pre-determined conclusion is not penetrable. We'll not waste any more of each other's time with faux 'discussion'.
Oblivious to what?
What is my pre-determined conclusion?
My quick look into the Phoenix Lights shows two events, one identified as flares released by A-10 aircraft.
Mackay's book actually turns 180 this year.
What is my pre-determined conclusion?
My quick look into the Phoenix Lights shows two events, one identified as flares released by A-10 aircraft.
Mackay's book actually turns 180 this year.
This does not appear in any physics reference I can find (except of course for the massless property). Do you have a reference?
The Acolytes are getting upset about their Revealed True Religion not being accepted by the unfaithful.
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