Trends Audio TA-10: Modding Potential?

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Alan Hope said:
I've waited before posting this, because I have very mixed emotions ... elation and slight embarrassment, and I wanted a long listen to confirm my findings

Persistently unhappy with my system sound, despite the improvements changing the TA-10.1 RFI caps, I tried a number of tweaks.

1. Swapped my JPS Ultraconductor speaker cables for some Nordost. Three CDs later the JPS were back. They walk the Nordost in all aspects.

2. Suddenly remembered I had a pair of Rothwell Attenuators lying around. Given that my sweet-spot Vol pot range was 8pm to 10pm I inserted these at the inputs. This gave me use of the full 360° turn of the Vol pot. I was hoping simply to improve the low-volume 'closing-in' that irritated me. Ran 4 or five CDs at near full volume which was lound/comfortable listening. There was no major distortion - but a slightly shouty dynamic, a hint of grain, and a definite loss of low level detail. Low volumes were perhaps slightly improved, but not dramatically. Took out the Attenuators, dropped down to equivalent volumes, ran the same CDs and everything was better ...

And here was my big surprise. Everything was MUCH better. Unbelievable MUCH better!!! High frequencies had opened out and sweetened dramatically, the soundstage was deeper and wider, low volumes were fine. I was hearing the best amp I had ever heard.

I have now listened for many hours - critically - to a set of CDs which I know inside out: with a wide variety of sonic challenges. Including Massive Attack, Bach "German Requiem", Garbage, Gershwin, Joni Mitchell, King Crimson, Television, Martin Stevenson, Paul Simon, Norma Waterson, Queen, Oscar Peterson etc etc

Improvement confirmed, and no sign of sound quality varying in any way. What the heck has happened? Did the fully open playing with the Attenuators in somehow complete the burn-in process? Did some component pop into it's correct spec?

Worse - were my moans to Trends premature? Was my burn-in - which was necessarily low volume during the night - too low volume to work properly, so was I girning about a not fully burned in amp? Perhaps the RFI ceramic caps would not have mattered after all.

I owe David Ho an apology, I think. Though the concept of an amp that needs such an extended burn-in is strange - particularly when some folk were saying, "it sounds great right out of the box." And unlike cables, for me - the final improvement was like a swwitch being turned on.

I am so so so happy with the sound. I was starting to look at new speakers (Klipsch?) ... not any more. The IPLs sound fantastic!

t. - try and get some JPS Ultraconductor speaker cables to try. Mine were 2nd hand, so already burnt in, and I can't fault them. They have a good reputation for longevity too. (See the TNT review for a second opinion).

No more mods for me, I'm going to get some CDs! 🙂 🙂 🙂


Thats good news Alan🙂 I'm glad to hear your happy with it.
I'll be sure to keep my eye open for the JPS Ultraconductor, hopefully I can find it at a good price, I really do need some better speaker cable!
 
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jonclancy said:
It's late, but as I recall, this is explained in detail in the manual. I sent mine to t. for a listen, and forgot to tell him I'd configured as a power amp...... :clown: 😉

Cheers

Jon

You still up too
I can still remember me jumping out of my skin first time I fired your amp up😀
 
I put the Caddock Resistors in the input/feedback. I'm not quite sure what the characteristics of the MK132 resistors are compared to other resistors, but it is definitely quite a bit sweeter and smoother sounding than the original resistors. It seems to take the rough edges out of the sound, and the sound seems to float a bit more. For better or worse, I think these would be more of a personal preference, with most prefering the change. There are quite a few brands to try, so I'm sure there is quite a bit of tweaking ability with these resistors. Nude Vishays, Caddock TF1020, Kiwame, and Riken resistors may be other models you may want to read up on and try out based on availability. I'll probably try out the nude Vishays next, but I probably won't do any more since the costs add up with these resistors.

I also purchased a 12V 11A SMPS and attached it to the amp. The first five minutes were horrible, but they are getting better now. I'll have to let it run in some more before I make assessments on this. So far, the results are very promising.
 
By the way, thank you everyone for helping out with all the mods. This is actually my first modding attempt at anything, and I never imagined I would ever get to where I am with this amp. Compared to the stock amp, it's not the same amp anymore, as the sound has completely transformed. There's not too much more I can do with this amp. I am looking at replacing the caps as I mentioned earlier. Hopefully it will improve the sound some more. It has really been fun going all out on these mods.
 
Can you give us an overview of the mods you did and what the effect on the sound quality was. I know it's all in the previous posts but a little summary would be nice for us readers.

I still want to do some more mods myself but at the moment I have decided fisrt to let them run in for a month 24/7 on the test bench at half power with pink noise. Last time I have checked they were indeed better (after about 5 days 24/7 that was), highs where much better now, much less anoying sounding but sill not nearly as good as my other amps, some modding is needed
 
dweekie said:
By the way, thank you everyone for helping out with all the mods. This is actually my first modding attempt at anything, and I never imagined I would ever get to where I am with this amp. Compared to the stock amp, it's not the same amp anymore, as the sound has completely transformed. There's not too much more I can do with this amp. I am looking at replacing the caps as I mentioned earlier. Hopefully it will improve the sound some more. It has really been fun going all out on these mods.

Thats great Dweekie well done! thank you for posting the results with the Caddocks
The Caddock TF1020 are nice resistors but physically big compared to the standards, I've not tried the nude Vishays which are supposed to be good
 
1. Input Caps - Obbligato PIO 2.2uf
2. Power Supply - Battery
3. Resistors - Caddock MK132 20.0k
4. Power tank cap - Panasonic FM 2700uf
5. Copper sheilding around aircore inductors
6. Heatsink on Tripath chip

I feel that the first 3 mods listed above did the most for the sound, with improvements in everything. I didn't notice much of a difference with the Panasonic caps. I am also running everything outside the original case, as it affected the sound a bit. I think this shows that ERS paper or new casing could be used to tune the sound.
The SMPS power supply I have is causing distortion in lower frequencies; hopefully a stiffener cap will fix that.
The resistors are still breaking in and sounding very different now. It seems to make the sound very clean and "fast" and lively. The difference is very large now, so I feel that people should definitely try this mod. It seems to be one that I haven't read about much before. The Caddock is still breaking in, so I still can't make final judgements on this particular model, but so far it is very lively. If you're trying to darken up the sound, this model isn't one you should use.

These are my experiences so far. However, I listen to this hours at a time through the break-in process. Most mods have made the sound worse initially, so that probably affected my judgements on the sound a little. I know that when the sound gets to a certein point where I listen to the music instead of the change due to the mod, then it's been a successful mod. 🙂

The mods I'm looking at next are:
1. SMPS
2. Capacitors
3. Binding posts
4. Volume Pot
5. Input Wire
6. New Case
 
I have a little probelm with my stock amp, the problem comes when i am moving the volume up or down i get a scratching sound in the speakers and some times the sound dissapears in one of the speakers.

What can be done to fix this problem?

Best Regards David
 
Hi David,

Sounds like you have a dodgy pot, maybe theres some dirt getting stuck in the wipers or damaged track.
you may be able to cure it with a bit of switch cleaner if its muck, if its the pots track thats damaged it'll need replacing

other causes that can give a rustling sound is dc offset
 
Has anyone else thought of changing the 0,1uF Ca cap near the Tripath chip. In the TA2024 datasheet this one is called the biascap and it refers the input opamps to ground at pin 16 of the chip. |Since this is the reference on wich the opamp amplifies (buffers in this case) it is directly in the signal path and therefore as important as the input caps.

Just have to find a good quality 0,1uF cap of reasonable size. Anybody any recommendations ? I guess the value of 0,1 uF is not that critical, good as well be a bit bigger as long as the size of the cap isn't much bigger, something like the Obbligato's would be way out of place here.
 
Just thought of a (maybe) possible way to get rid of the input cap. Since the the offset voltage on the input is about 2.5 volts at the inverted input the same voltage must be present on the non-inverting input as well. This means that between the inveting and the non-inverting input there is no offset voltage (2.5V -2.5V = 0V). Well there might be as little as one mV due to the inperfection of the input op-amp offcoarse.

Thinking of this I came up with the following input schematic. Don't know if it will work though, maybe I'm missing something here, don't know yet. Anyone any thoughts on this ?

picture quality is not perfect but readable i guess.

The idea is to use a 1:1 input transformer and let the primary input float from ground (at least from the ground of the Tripath amp) On the secondary side the positive lead will be connected to the same point as the input with a coupling cap would be but at the negative (ground) side it will not be connected to the analog ground of the amp but directly to pin 16, the non-inverting input of the op-amp wich is AC referred to ground via Ca (the bias-cap)
 

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