Thermistor removal from crossover rebuild?

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CliffR52 said:
Was my drawing accurate and did you find a polarity issue with the current wiring?
Your drawing was in accordance with your description in post #46. Also, the photos shown do not conflict with it even though we cannot see the drivers themselves.
The coil was in error, the drawing is now corrected.
Cliffs original drawing is the factory intended way to do this. It does make a difference. Changes should be for a good reason.
 

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@ Cliff.

I would simply short out the protection circuit altogether by soldering a length of wire across the 18R//PTC combination.

The effective removal of the protection circuit will have no significant audible effect in relation to this simple crossover. If you don't believe me, wire 0.8 ohms worth of resistance in place of the protection circuit and do a comparison.
 
This is the exact replacement. B59955C0160A070 Is the supplier accessible to you, Cliff?

https://au.element14.com/epcos/b59955c0160a070/ptc-thermistor-0-8r-tht/dp/2769029?pf=113603984&krypto=RPd4m1eV0hX349g6fR%2B7ltctCEMOJpbnmszhzVv4HQm5iAH2r321YuJjoD7L0Rxh6%2FZLkAo0%2F34brDRGoxXg8dx9pJ5By7mcO%2Fks9qcBHrguiDvYbKNn7IwClJZKOLRYR4eUEAy%2FDm9I0GWyaqLfrPmJfZzLvQW9c8qvXUR4FXoMPusH16r6Y5LvXeFiwY%2FklqcXiNlnw1zvn64mh%2FSFkbxLW0463hafCRs0FookJTz8SaKQ2w1HOCU6mgdhnCSeegGykI%2FUEx%2FY4WpHNiPv1OKqqxutpvIUxH3TUeCFytRKN7HhSVTorOegUyjzexENHAxaBdi1eA4V9i5OKUCgAgR8iMRzc0OGwwH%2FunS6vvDXI%2F7fpmwJPy6Zuhi4GxtOG4C%2BPF5RpXaEa4I6vPdbSomvVn7y1SSg4h6NLlLvMOgkA9HuFjqHU956Cmr4EN0JTAcW%2BIeJKGjWW8tI2MGrYXGoRYXIvbsH4B%2FGT4eZqhU3%2F1c0mIbDGxwMIn%2FUJrOHxVYnqy2JZW4Hw1LlXhqpzvSG8Sqab7j1PQZsKQVhrRF7S2fPvmCTXSnBkEzfqq%2Fz1VxqBlkpcTxu7giozf3L1NHdUr6p8q0iBEA5vm7E6nBNeU9d2R8UteuZ9Ub0cMVw1gUh4nBU2dWK3S1MeGtTV0DdczsUO94oQMBwd%2FhJxzcOJFqbPzvBz8XxfElKRYp9fpLNUajrxiF3EV2bedn%2BPSiskZ%2BpLL2CR7I2iGhukjUfT686rXKuCAjpLrEIwIrpDP5ztiFRP8bB6gvrqbEMNqWubHPXAMD9iNQOr9jIqO3FfaaeClnTU7cO4SB3ryGi9CpRtS%2F36Xoj61bFC%2Bp%2By%2Fw7WuVzgVeG%2BGwyP5FkUsShKRd1dYpXxMzvVqjb2%2Ft0JRQ3q2jaOYB%2FF0J8uLR9O21feOlEIAzCn6rkWxQCXnuh%2FGeyorGzHaZAHuDgWW1u5wHY51bFeLhYsK3NPVP6%2BV%2FpI%2FJQGfVtjGTN4N1eRhBWmn4cW%2B4EV%2B8ME3KOp3IkxlsRtuMqwO6hNLYcnoCY2AXbNSxUVj%2F7qpa1tRrXgzwGAmeQV4m6jPPSu%2BiTlgR4RC%2BoVaOz4dHMszRmQKf8XR5DBsDMgcTPJ3tHcN5DOkK2iO%2BvxrgIkJ6zKCqEcjCDRYkN3WqMVZt0E1dSyVbGvGTEPVJSExMp3QeFhZ53spEO6BCWiP5DwBq6eR6QlSNmsXVn6mtd%2B%2BAGXs53%2FmJLlg%3D%3D&ddkey=https%3Aen-AU%2FElement14_Australia%2Fc%2Fcircuit-protection%2Fthermistors%2Fptc-thermistors
 
This is the exact replacement. B59955C0160A070 Is the supplier accessible to you, Cliff?

https://au.element14.com/epcos/b59955c0160a070/ptc-thermistor-0-8r-tht/dp/2769029?pf=113603984&krypto=RPd4m1eV0hX349g6fR%2B7ltctCEMOJpbnmszhzVv4HQm5iAH2r321YuJjoD7L0Rxh6%2FZLkAo0%2F34brDRGoxXg8dx9pJ5By7mcO%2Fks9qcBHrguiDvYbKNn7IwClJZKOLRYR4eUEAy%2FDm9I0GWyaqLfrPmJfZzLvQW9c8qvXUR4FXoMPusH16r6Y5LvXeFiwY%2FklqcXiNlnw1zvn64mh%2FSFkbxLW0463hafCRs0FookJTz8SaKQ2w1HOCU6mgdhnCSeegGykI%2FUEx%2FY4WpHNiPv1OKqqxutpvIUxH3TUeCFytRKN7HhSVTorOegUyjzexENHAxaBdi1eA4V9i5OKUCgAgR8iMRzc0OGwwH%2FunS6vvDXI%2F7fpmwJPy6Zuhi4GxtOG4C%2BPF5RpXaEa4I6vPdbSomvVn7y1SSg4h6NLlLvMOgkA9HuFjqHU956Cmr4EN0JTAcW%2BIeJKGjWW8tI2MGrYXGoRYXIvbsH4B%2FGT4eZqhU3%2F1c0mIbDGxwMIn%2FUJrOHxVYnqy2JZW4Hw1LlXhqpzvSG8Sqab7j1PQZsKQVhrRF7S2fPvmCTXSnBkEzfqq%2Fz1VxqBlkpcTxu7giozf3L1NHdUr6p8q0iBEA5vm7E6nBNeU9d2R8UteuZ9Ub0cMVw1gUh4nBU2dWK3S1MeGtTV0DdczsUO94oQMBwd%2FhJxzcOJFqbPzvBz8XxfElKRYp9fpLNUajrxiF3EV2bedn%2BPSiskZ%2BpLL2CR7I2iGhukjUfT686rXKuCAjpLrEIwIrpDP5ztiFRP8bB6gvrqbEMNqWubHPXAMD9iNQOr9jIqO3FfaaeClnTU7cO4SB3ryGi9CpRtS%2F36Xoj61bFC%2Bp%2By%2Fw7WuVzgVeG%2BGwyP5FkUsShKRd1dYpXxMzvVqjb2%2Ft0JRQ3q2jaOYB%2FF0J8uLR9O21feOlEIAzCn6rkWxQCXnuh%2FGeyorGzHaZAHuDgWW1u5wHY51bFeLhYsK3NPVP6%2BV%2FpI%2FJQGfVtjGTN4N1eRhBWmn4cW%2B4EV%2B8ME3KOp3IkxlsRtuMqwO6hNLYcnoCY2AXbNSxUVj%2F7qpa1tRrXgzwGAmeQV4m6jPPSu%2BiTlgR4RC%2BoVaOz4dHMszRmQKf8XR5DBsDMgcTPJ3tHcN5DOkK2iO%2BvxrgIkJ6zKCqEcjCDRYkN3WqMVZt0E1dSyVbGvGTEPVJSExMp3QeFhZ53spEO6BCWiP5DwBq6eR6QlSNmsXVn6mtd%2B%2BAGXs53%2FmJLlg%3D%3D&ddkey=https%3Aen-AU%2FElement14_Australia%2Fc%2Fcircuit-protection%2Fthermistors%2Fptc-thermistors

Looks a great source.

I'll check their other products to maximise shipping.
 

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This is Cliff's first post can nobody read ?

The decision to eliminate the Thermister was based on previous advice.

The thinking behind it was that a 30 - 40 year old thermister might not be functioning correctly and possibly be compressing the music signal.

If I couldn't source a replacement it was thought it best to eliminate it.

But if a source is readily and cheaply available then I thought it's a good idea to fit a new one. The thinking behind this is, that Thermister might become problematic with time, a brand new one would see me out before starting to play up.

Don't know your thoughts behind the thinking.

Can I still run with your second schematic but just add the thermister in parallel with the 18 ohm resister??

thanks

Cliff

PS: Sorry if there's been rework on your part due to my typos.
 
Thanks for photos.
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Which terminal is which? and I assume you are counting Red terminals as positive terminals on woofer and mid?

B is the positive.

The tweeters (as well as other drivers)are colour coded.

All are marked with a red terminal, which I presume is +ve.
 

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This is Cliff's first post can nobody read ?
One would have had to read Cliff's previous thread to understand that his decision to remove the PTC was based on an entirely different scenario.

Simply removing the PTC in the present scenario would leave an 18 ohm resistor in series with the mid/high drivers, not a good idea!

There followed the usual wide ranging discussion! 'Tis the nature of the forum and can be frustrating at times, but we are all friends here. :cool:
 
One would have had to read Cliff's previous thread to understand that his decision to remove the PTC was based on an entirely different scenario.

Simply removing the PTC in the present scenario would leave an 18 ohm resistor in series with the mid/high drivers, not a good idea!

There followed the usual wide ranging discussion! 'Tis the nature of the forum and can be frustrating at times, but we are all friends here. :cool:

And the common thing amongst us, the love or attraction to Loudspeakers.

DIY, in my opinion is the way, but to resurrect vintage has the potential of putting a smile on your face for minimal outlay, not to mention going easy on the planet. :)
 
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