Hi Owen,
I'd like to opt in for:
1 SE-SE Stereo Kit including PCB and all parts
1 PSU including PCB and all parts
Cheers!
Joy.
I'd like to opt in for:
1 SE-SE Stereo Kit including PCB and all parts
1 PSU including PCB and all parts
Cheers!
Joy.
Hi Owen,
I'd also would like to opt in for:
1 SE-SE Stereo Kit including PCB and all parts
1 PSU including PCB and all parts
Regards
Anders
I'd also would like to opt in for:
1 SE-SE Stereo Kit including PCB and all parts
1 PSU including PCB and all parts
Regards
Anders
Hi Owen,
Good to see this taking off again!
Please update my order to:
1 x BAL-BAL kit (including PCB and all parts)
1 x SE - SE kit (including PCB and all parts)
2 x PSU kits (including PCB and all parts)
Good to see this taking off again!
Please update my order to:
1 x BAL-BAL kit (including PCB and all parts)
1 x SE - SE kit (including PCB and all parts)
2 x PSU kits (including PCB and all parts)
Hi Owen
Put me down for:-
1 x SE - SE kit (including PCB and all parts)
1 x PSU kits (including PCB and all parts)
1 x BAL-BAL PCB
1 x PSU PCB
Cheers
Michael
Put me down for:-
1 x SE - SE kit (including PCB and all parts)
1 x PSU kits (including PCB and all parts)
1 x BAL-BAL PCB
1 x PSU PCB
Cheers
Michael
Hi Guys,
I've updated the list with everyone up to this post.
Soooooo...
The group buy is closing this evening. but there will be exceptions made.
Because of the skewed interest toward the SE-SE and BAL-BAL PCB's, I'm going to be stuck with 20 extra BAL-SE boards. So on that note, if you want BAL-SE boards or kits, then you're more than welcome to place orders.
There will be one more BAL-BAL and one more SE-SE PCB or kit available to whoever is the next person to ask for one, and then those buys are officially closed. That will make 38 of each of those boards, and I want to keep two of each for myself.
I will also not be ordering parts for the kits for another week or so, which means you can change your orders to full kits, but you cannot change the number of PCB's.
I've attached the "Final" list, but I'll update it once more when the last two BAL-BAL and SE-SE PCB's are sold. I will also continue to update any orders for BAL-SE kits.
Cheers,
Owen
I've updated the list with everyone up to this post.
Soooooo...
The group buy is closing this evening. but there will be exceptions made.
Because of the skewed interest toward the SE-SE and BAL-BAL PCB's, I'm going to be stuck with 20 extra BAL-SE boards. So on that note, if you want BAL-SE boards or kits, then you're more than welcome to place orders.
There will be one more BAL-BAL and one more SE-SE PCB or kit available to whoever is the next person to ask for one, and then those buys are officially closed. That will make 38 of each of those boards, and I want to keep two of each for myself.
I will also not be ordering parts for the kits for another week or so, which means you can change your orders to full kits, but you cannot change the number of PCB's.
I've attached the "Final" list, but I'll update it once more when the last two BAL-BAL and SE-SE PCB's are sold. I will also continue to update any orders for BAL-SE kits.
Cheers,
Owen
Hi Owen
I just want to say that I want full kit ( all parts and pcb)
1 SE-SE Full kit
1 PSU Full kit
Thank you.
I just want to say that I want full kit ( all parts and pcb)
1 SE-SE Full kit
1 PSU Full kit
Thank you.
Hi Guys,
I've also got measurements for the SE-SE version of The Wire that I took using the proto-board shown a few posts back.
This is powered by the PSU setup exactly the way the kit has it.
The first 5 images are FFT's under various conditions. There's one with open inputs, grounded inputs, and three at varying drive levels. All of these are taken into a 50 ohm load.
The ground floor is astonishingly low at -155dBV. You can see some 60Hz noise poking above the floor, along with all of the harmonics. The worst harmonic is at 300Hz, but it's still -131dBV, and as such it certainly won't be audible even with the most sensitive headphones. To put it into perspective, the highest harmonic here would produce about 3.12 femto-watts into a 32 ohm headphone.
The noise floor also stays incredibly low regardless of the output level. The amplifier will start to clip at around 8.5VRMS if you use a +/- 15V supply which is enough to drive even absurd headphones. The noise floor remains at least 150dB below the output, and the second and third harmonics are each down 117 and 118dB respectively. Harmonics above the fifth are more than 135dB down even at full output.
SNR as measured by the AP is 132.5dB at 8.5V output. Channel crosstalk is -91dB which would improve somewhat with dual mono supplies, but it's probably limited by the fact that all SE output systems share a common ground at the output which contributes to crosstalk. I would expect a BAL-BAL system with dual mono supplies to measure significantly better, but this is still extremely good.
There are also two frequency response graphs taken at 1V output and 8.5V output. Both are better than +/- 0.0005dB from 5Hz to 60kHz. the measurements BW on the AP limits the measurable range.
All in all, you give up nothing at all by using the SE-SE version of The Wire, and like its BAL-SE sibling, it really does live up to its name! The only real difference between the two is the CMRR offered by the BAL-SE version which is really the better choice if you have good balanced outputs on your source.
Cheers,
Owen
I've also got measurements for the SE-SE version of The Wire that I took using the proto-board shown a few posts back.
This is powered by the PSU setup exactly the way the kit has it.
The first 5 images are FFT's under various conditions. There's one with open inputs, grounded inputs, and three at varying drive levels. All of these are taken into a 50 ohm load.
The ground floor is astonishingly low at -155dBV. You can see some 60Hz noise poking above the floor, along with all of the harmonics. The worst harmonic is at 300Hz, but it's still -131dBV, and as such it certainly won't be audible even with the most sensitive headphones. To put it into perspective, the highest harmonic here would produce about 3.12 femto-watts into a 32 ohm headphone.
The noise floor also stays incredibly low regardless of the output level. The amplifier will start to clip at around 8.5VRMS if you use a +/- 15V supply which is enough to drive even absurd headphones. The noise floor remains at least 150dB below the output, and the second and third harmonics are each down 117 and 118dB respectively. Harmonics above the fifth are more than 135dB down even at full output.
SNR as measured by the AP is 132.5dB at 8.5V output. Channel crosstalk is -91dB which would improve somewhat with dual mono supplies, but it's probably limited by the fact that all SE output systems share a common ground at the output which contributes to crosstalk. I would expect a BAL-BAL system with dual mono supplies to measure significantly better, but this is still extremely good.
There are also two frequency response graphs taken at 1V output and 8.5V output. Both are better than +/- 0.0005dB from 5Hz to 60kHz. the measurements BW on the AP limits the measurable range.
All in all, you give up nothing at all by using the SE-SE version of The Wire, and like its BAL-SE sibling, it really does live up to its name! The only real difference between the two is the CMRR offered by the BAL-SE version which is really the better choice if you have good balanced outputs on your source.
Cheers,
Owen
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Owen:
If at all possible, I would like to add 2x BAL-SE PCBs and 2x PSU PCBs to my existing order.
Best regards, mike-sp
If at all possible, I would like to add 2x BAL-SE PCBs and 2x PSU PCBs to my existing order.
Best regards, mike-sp
Owen,
What are the approximate prices?
Do you plan to ship together with "The Wire AMP" kits?
Cheers,
Nic
What are the approximate prices?
Do you plan to ship together with "The Wire AMP" kits?
Cheers,
Nic
Hi Guys,
I'll update the list a little later in the day to reflect those changes.
NicMac:
Pricing details are listed here:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/head...-headphone-amplifier-pcbs-63.html#post2716995
I will definitely be combining orders between the amp and these headphone kits, as it will save a great deal of shipping. I'll get better prices on shipping soon.
Cheers,
Owen
I'll update the list a little later in the day to reflect those changes.
NicMac:
Pricing details are listed here:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/head...-headphone-amplifier-pcbs-63.html#post2716995
I will definitely be combining orders between the amp and these headphone kits, as it will save a great deal of shipping. I'll get better prices on shipping soon.
Cheers,
Owen
Hi Owen,
>>I'm going to be stuck with 20 extra BAL-SE boards.
No way!
I recall a wish for "a bridged version using a pair of LME49600 per channel, each driven by a single LME49990. . [into] . . headphones setup for bridged output". It would seem that a pair of BAL-SE boards, each following one TP Opus running in dual differential mode, would deliver on that wish. Over kill? Possibly 🙂
Please add two BAL-SE (pcb only) to my order.
'gardz, Dick
>>I'm going to be stuck with 20 extra BAL-SE boards.
No way!
I recall a wish for "a bridged version using a pair of LME49600 per channel, each driven by a single LME49990. . [into] . . headphones setup for bridged output". It would seem that a pair of BAL-SE boards, each following one TP Opus running in dual differential mode, would deliver on that wish. Over kill? Possibly 🙂
Please add two BAL-SE (pcb only) to my order.
'gardz, Dick
Owen,
I can take two of the BAL-SE boards, and let go of the SE-SE kit. So final:
1x complete BAL-BAL Kit
2x BAL-SE PCB's
Cheers,
Nic
I can take two of the BAL-SE boards, and let go of the SE-SE kit. So final:
1x complete BAL-BAL Kit
2x BAL-SE PCB's
Cheers,
Nic
owen, is it safe to use 21VAC CT toroid in the wire? can we just simply change the supply capacitors to higher voltage rating to accommodate this?
Hi,
I will take 1 BAL-SE kit + 1 PSU Kit out, if that is possible.
Sorry for the mess. All in all remains:
1x SE-SE Kit
1x BAL-BAL Kit
1x SE-SE pcb
1x BAL-BAL pcb
4x PSU Kit (2 for headamp + 2 for power amp)
Thanks!
I will take 1 BAL-SE kit + 1 PSU Kit out, if that is possible.
Sorry for the mess. All in all remains:
1x SE-SE Kit
1x BAL-BAL Kit
1x SE-SE pcb
1x BAL-BAL pcb
4x PSU Kit (2 for headamp + 2 for power amp)
Thanks!
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Hi,
Sorry, I misss this thread and a bit late in the game. If it is OK, I would like to take a SE-SE and PSU kit pls. Thanks.
Sorry, I misss this thread and a bit late in the game. If it is OK, I would like to take a SE-SE and PSU kit pls. Thanks.
Owen,
I'm going to have to back out on both the Headphone, PSU and Amp board/Kits. I hope this isn't an inconvenience for you. It looks like you have others lining up for them anyway. I've got too many unfinished projects already, and am feeling guilty about them.. 🙁
I'm going to have to back out on both the Headphone, PSU and Amp board/Kits. I hope this isn't an inconvenience for you. It looks like you have others lining up for them anyway. I've got too many unfinished projects already, and am feeling guilty about them.. 🙁