"Olive: For commercial and home cinemas, I agree these immersive formats provide a very compelling experience. For homes, the hurdle will be convincing consumers to purchase and install the required seven to 20-plus loudspeakers and amplifiers in their living room."
I can't take that seriously, I don't care how much "authority" he is supposed to have.
I can't take that seriously, I don't care how much "authority" he is supposed to have.
Future or not, I can't stand multi channel surround sound. It's no less fake than 2 channel. It's all about effects, not realism. And even if it was I wouldn't like it. I've got smart ears and overlooking the shortcomings of 2 channels is enough to deal with. In fact, 2 channel issues are easy. The so called phantom center channel is ime, bs. It's there alright but it's not imo a "channel". When you have correct placement and alignment, both speakers meld into one source just like when you put on a pair of glasses and the division between the lenses disappears. The vast majority of us is listening to their speakers with the division still discernable. You think this is the "phantom" channel. This has nothing to do with what the engineer did in the studio even if he mixed a phantom channel into the recording. I'm talking only about the gear. In any case, your system doesn't even approach live sound so you have let your mind fill in the blanks. Otherwise it's impossible to enjoy it.
This is about the only point of yours I agree with. There are many threads where members seem to treat the release as sacrosanct, because it is part of the artists artistry since they signed off on it. An anecdote I always remember related to this is now that he's sober, Geezer Butler hates the early Black Sabbath releases because the mix sounds like crap to him, and their manager kept them constantly high on coke so they would just sign off on everything happening around them.
Drugs or not, the word from a representative of a company in the business of selling loudspeakers is somehow more authoritative on the work itself?
I do not hold the recording as sacred and have stated as much several times over the years on this forum. Maybe because I know what goes on behind the scenes. I also enjoy multichannel sound and have been working with it both lived and canned since the 80s (It was a big deal at IRCAM 30+ years ago)
But having heard 2 channel stereo playback that is astonishingly real, the argument that it's fundamentally flawed carries no weight for me. For me multi-channel is like active crossovers, it's faster and easier to get impressive results. That's wonderful for commercial ventures where you need a solid ROI. But where is finesses in that? 🙂
I have heard Don Keele demo his CBT speakers twice, in two different venues. I think they are remarkable and do just what he claims. I like them. However, they are not close to the stereo realism that I've heard from some extraordinary systems.
But having heard 2 channel stereo playback that is astonishingly real, the argument that it's fundamentally flawed carries no weight for me. For me multi-channel is like active crossovers, it's faster and easier to get impressive results. That's wonderful for commercial ventures where you need a solid ROI. But where is finesses in that? 🙂
I have heard Don Keele demo his CBT speakers twice, in two different venues. I think they are remarkable and do just what he claims. I like them. However, they are not close to the stereo realism that I've heard from some extraordinary systems.
Yes I suspec that simple Hafler style L-R and R-L rear channels on recordings done in a way there is something to extract is possibly all you can do with legacy stuff, and only then with some of it. I do note that most people who tried this went back to 2-channel on an anecdote count.
You've probably got more hours on a lexicon than anyone else here so if you haven't worked it out I doubt the AI people will!
If that was inferred in any of my posts I apologise as it's not what I meant.
Let's be clear, neither do I. Although it might be fun to stick microphones in the conductors ears and hear what he heard (or better than he did as a number of them are very old and quite possibly a bit mutton now). Just for fun though.
Each to their own. I know what I love about being in a live orchestral venue or a great choral space. And I have already accepted I am possibly in a small minority
But you are looking through the window. You are not there. It's a great illusion when it works but this is all fooling the brain at the end of the day. I like to be differently fooled and I have to live with that curse 🙂.
Aside: The BBC are getting better at their binaural recordings from the Proms, but they still sound to me like you are hovvering above the conductor (as indeed the microphones are).
These crappy little speakers from Google, Amazon, and Apple are going to sound terrible regardless of the recordings. So these companies really have little incentive to make any improvements in recording sound quality. Have you ever heard a Sonus or a Bose small speaker? Absolutely terrible sound quality. Pure junk. And I don't see these being any better.
The audience for those speakers is entirely different from the audience that is represented on this forum. People here care about sound quality above everything else. That's why they build their own speakers for a fraction of the price it would cost for commercial equivalents. In case you haven't noticed this is called a DIY forum. People have no interest in the mass market crap that is now being foisted on the rest of the public.
You still don't seem to realize what this forum is all about. Maybe some day you'll catch on.
I care more about the music, that's why I can listened happily to poor quality old recordings.
But I would bet that is not all you listen to. And that you also have some very fine recordings that you listen to on high sound quality speakers.
Music quality and recording quality are not the same thing. I enjoy both. It's especially nice when they come together on the same record. 😀
Yes, it's just that most of the music I enjoy is not audiophile quality recordings and it doesn't bother me.