The Walnut Dipoles

polar plot looks like a tie dyed shirt.

I liked the colors too so I just learned how to do it in VituixCAD. You use the expand and compress buttons at the top of the screen. Turned out to be useful for finding problems I've been having a hard time seeing with default SPL scaling.

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Problem one, better detail for finding SPL bumps in the polars. (Normalization turned off.)

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Problem two, locating my vertical listening axis (or seeing how adjusting X,Y,Z + crossovers affects the vertical listening axis)

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I had no idea there was such open area amd pretty houses there.

The Chicago area is huge and diverse. There are communities where every house is a mansion and every lot is at least an acre. There's lots and lots of money here.

Six miles north of me is mansions and hobby farms, and awesome stocked fisheries. Six miles south of me is stifling urban density, filth and crime, and migrant tents as far as the eye can see. I'm right in the middle.

To the OP, very impressive effort with those large dipoles. Not conventional and practical, but worthwhile if you have the space. I haven't built speakers that big since high school.
 
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Commercial designs in the $10k to $20k range are some sort of reference?? :)

Dave.
i think the only reason for this subjetive effect is because its dipole. for any commercial box speaker you must have a small and light cone for clean mids.
also imo dome tweeters dont work well with woofers larger than 8" a 12-15" woofer must have a compression driver and a similar sized waveguide, which is why there are very few 2-ways. a 15" must use a 1.5" CD to get the crossover low enough, without messing up the off-axis response.
then there is ofcourse the issue of EQ needed in the low-end for any dipole.
all reasons why commercials manufacturers are staying away from dipoles.
 
@perrymarshall First of all thank you very much for share with us your AMAZING job. Many wait for not expensive and full passive version OB your construction.
I want use Satori TW29R with Visaton WG148-R but with different woofer. I see polar response whole Walnut Dipole Loudspeaker, but I'm curious how looks polar diagram only for combo Satori+Visaton in wide baffle. Is it possible, to attache polar response for tweeter only?

Best regards
Miro
 
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15” Open Baffle 2-way with Live Edge Wood, Constant Directivity, Passive Xover and Punchy Bass

What would happen if a Magnepan MG1.7 and a Klipsch Heresy had a baby?

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Many builders here have seen my Bitches Brew Open Baffle Speakers, the Flanagangsters, and Live Edge Dipoles. I love using slabs of live edge wood to make Dipoles. For this system I had a beautiful piece of Walnut in the garage. I wanted to create a passive design that would come as close as possible to these larger, active DSP systems while using a passive crossover, thus maintaining the simplicity of a traditional stand-alone speaker.

At only 35 pounds (16kg), these register at 1/2 to 1/3 the weight of the other designs listed above. Dimensions 28”H x 19”W x 18”D (71cm x 48cm x 46cm).

Sensitivity 93dB
Impedance 4 ohms
Power rating 100w/ch
Frequency Response 40Hz-20KHz

I wanted the expansive, room-filling sound of Open Baffle; and wanted to achieve bass reflex punch without sounding “boxy.” I also wanted Constant Directivity, meaning that when you move off axis, the level changes but the tonal balance does not. This provides excellent imaging for every seat in the house and not just the one “sweet spot.”

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Frequency response in real room, 1/6th octave. No attempt to exclude room reflections. Average of 5 positions at a distance between 1 and 2 meters.

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1/6th octave frequency response at 0, 15, 30, 45, 60, 75 and 90 degrees.

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Polar plot from -90 degrees to +90 degrees on front plane of the speaker. Largely maintains constant directivity across the entire band, with cardioid pattern between 150Hz and 400Hz. (This is inevitable because of the U-frame enclosure and is the tradeoff incurred by extending the bass an octave downward to 60Hz, as compared to a flat baffle.) There's slight widening of the pattern around 1700Hz, just above the crossover frequency. Radiation is very even across a +/-30 degree listening window.

I chose the Eminence Alpha 15A woofer with these parameters:

SPL 94dB
Fs 41
Qt 1.26
Xmax 3.8mm

it works very well in an Open Baffle. The high Q means it already has +2dB built in bass boost to counteract the rolloff of the baffle, which starts at around 65Hz. Further down I’ll explain the Bass EQ circuit I designed to extract an extra 5.5dB between 40-50Hz.

After much deliberation I chose the SB Acoustics Satori TW29R tweeter. I mounted it in a Visaton WG148R waveguide.

The Satori is one of the best tweeters I’ve used. It has very high resolution and great imaging, while still retaining the gentle edge of a soft dome. Transparent and revealing without being excessively analytical.

I chose this tweeter because I didn’t want the sound of a traditional compression driver. The kind of horn one would typically mate this with might easily sound nasal or “shouty” despite whatever EQ magic one might throw at it. I wanted a tweeter that, when mounted in a waveguide, could keep up with the 94dB sensitivity of the woofer and even give an extra +1 or +2dB at the high end.

With its standard faceplate, this tweeter has about 94dB SPL in the 10-20KHz range and a waveguide raises SPL further below 10KHz.

“Lambda” U-Frame Open Baffle

I like using triangular “wings” on the sides of OB speakers to extend bass response. Without wings, these woofers will start rolling off at 120Hz and you’ll get little deep bass. With wings, or U-Frame dipole that is lambda shaped in the side view, the cutoff begins around 65Hz and drops 6dB per octave. The triangle shape keeps the distance from woofer to edge spread across a wide range rather.

I discovered a way to add 4-7dB in the 40-60Hz range so the sound is a little “plump” in the deep bass range. I describe this in the next section.

Passive Bass Boost

This design adds a 5.5dB boost at 45Hz using an unusual passive high pass filter. I can’t be the first person in history to do this, but I’ve never seen this explained or modeled anywhere else. These components are in section “1” of the crossover schematic: a 500uF capacitor and 20mH inductor.

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I explain the circuit in section 1 in detail in my post “Open Baffle Bass Boost: +4 to +7dB w/ Passive Xover. No DSP.” I call it the "Marshall Bass Boost." Here you’ll find guidelines and examples for designing your own. It replaces the 25-ohm impedance peak at 41Hz with a 3-ohm dip, drawing almost 4X more power from the amplifier around 45Hz.

This also serves as a subsonic filter, protecting the woofer from signals below 40Hz. Signal falls to -10dB at 30Hz and -17dB at 20Hz. It provides substantial protection from out-of-band signals. Not only do dipoles suffer from rear wave cancellation, they are easily overdriven to large excursions by frequencies you can’t hear. This filter boosts the signal where it matters and cuts it where it doesn’t. The components required for this cost about $40 per channel and are well worth the investment.

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Large 20mH inductor and 500uF capacitor boost response at 45Hz.

Drive Signals for Each Driver

In the red curve below you can see the +5.5dB boost at 45Hz as well as the sharp filter.
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The signal reaching the Eminence Alpha 15A woofer is in RED. The signal to the SB TW29R tweeter (front) is in GREEN. The signal to the PRV WG230Ti tweeter (rear) is in BLUE.

Woofer crossover (Section 2 in the schematic)

The 1mH inductor, 10-ohm resistor plus LCR notch network in Section 2 of the schematic form a shelf filter with a deep null at 1900Hz. This suppresses the +12dB breakup mode of the Eminence woofer. However, I don't roll off the woofer above that frequency. This is because that would add even more phase shift. I avoid steep crossovers except when absolutely necessary. The woofer is already set back 3-4 inches (7-10cm) behind the plane of the tweeter, so a steep crossover would only make that problem worse.

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nearfield measurements of woofer and tweeter and the 1250Hz crossover frequency. The woofer rolls off naturally at 12dB/octave above 3KHz. (See the drive signal to the woofer a few paragraphs above, it heads towards 0dB at high frequencies.) The lack of additional filtering reduces group delay. In my opinion the minimal filtering just sounds better.

Matching Woofer to Tweeter

I’m stretching both drivers to the limits of their range. The 15” woofer start to beam above 1KHz, and the WG148R waveguide stops being directional below 2KHz. So there is a little discontinuity in the radiation pattern between 1-2KHz.

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Frequency response at 0, 15, 30, 45, 60, 75 and 90 degrees. Very nearly constant directivity across the band. At about 1500Hz you can see some “bunching” of the radiation pattern, where 30-45 degrees off axis, the output is slightly stronger than on-axis. This would go away if the waveguide was 8” (20cm) diameter instead of 6” (15cm). I chose an off the shelf Visaton waveguide, but a larger 3D printed waveguide would solve this. The bunching at 300Hz is because at this frequency, the radiation pattern is more cardioid than dipole.

Tweeter Crossover

The crossover (Schematic Section 3) for the TW29R is a 24dB/octave filter at 1250Hz. There is no getting around using a steep filter for a 29mm dome tweeter being asked to go so low.

Section 4 of the schematic is an RLC notch filter. It suppresses a minor peak at 3KHz. Some builders might not feel it’s necessary, but this detail erased a last bit of objectionable coloration and leaves the upper midrange silky smooth and just slightly recessed.

The slightly rising response on axis compensates for falling response off axis. When you average the 0, 15, 30, 45 and 60 degree curves together, you get a slightly downward-tilting response, which is my goal for voicing the speakers:

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Average of 0, 15, 30, 45 and 60-degree response on the front side of the speakers. Plot also includes 2nd and 3rd harmonic distortion.

Mounting the Satori Tweeter to the Visaton Waveguide

The Satori TW29R tweeter has a not-quite-flat faceplate which doesn’t match the WG148R waveguide. I had to add a bead of modeling clay about 3mm thick in order to fill the gap. You can see the modeling clay in the picture:

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Rear Tweeter


The rear tweeter is a PRV WG230Ti. I chose it because it has smooth response and 105db sensitivity so you can easily pad it down to match the front tweeter. I find dipoles sound best when the rear output at high frequencies is a few dB higher than the front output. This adds spaciousness without interfering with detail.

Section 5 of the schematic shows a 7-ohm resistor in series with the PRV tweeter. You can choose any value resistor you wish. This value sounds best to my ears. Below is the rear output:

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Rear measurements at 0, 15, 30, 45, 60, 75 and 90 degrees off axis. The system sounds best to my ears when the rear tweeter has a rising response. If you build this system you can play with that resistor and find the value that sounds best to you.

I’m normally a fan of simple crossovers, but due to the multiple conflicting priorities in getting a 2-way passive Dipole speaker to achieve: punchy bass, smooth response, Constant Directivity, high efficiency, high power handling and ultra-transparent high end simultaneously, a price had to be paid. The price was a rather complex crossover. Fortunately it’s the parts count and perfectionistic details that are complex, not the essential concept.

VituixCad files for this design are available here: https://tinyurl.com/walnutdipolesvituix

Areas for Possible Improvement?

A similar woofer with a curvilinear cone instead of straight-sided cone would likely not have the 1.9KHz breakup mode. It would also have wider dispersion above 1KHz and blend with the tweeter better. An 8” / 20cm waveguide would likewise blend better with the woofer. A more pricey version of this system could be executed with the SB Acoustics 15OB350 woofer and the SB Acoustics 29mm Beryllium Waveguide tweeter. (The crossover would have to be completely redesigned. It would still lend itself to the Marshall Bass Boost circuit.)

So… how do they sound?

These speakers throw a HUGE soundstage. They image very well everywhere in the room and have a very transparent and detailed yet silky and not-too-analytical high end. The soft dome tweeters are easy on the ears.

The bass is just slightly on the rich side, and lower midrange is warm and buttery. The overall tone is warm, spacious and detailed with a bit of extra sparkle on the top end. They are equally at home with jazz or rock. ZZ Top sounds terrific. “Burning Down the House” by the Talking Heads is an acid test for bass overload, because the bass drum and percussion parts have a lot of very low frequency energy that easily overloads many woofers, especially in OB and Reflex. The Marshall Bass Boost circuit protects these woofers from bottoming, and they can play quite loud. Bass drums and guitars are authoritative.

There is also a lot to be said for their high efficiency. They are easily 5-6dB more efficient than most audiophile speakers. They’re sensitive enough to use with “flea watt” Single Ended Tube amps.

Generally I like solid state amps better, but I do enjoy playing with tubes. Some speakers just sound better with tubes. These sound outstanding with my Yaqin MC-13L 40W amp, which has much more than enough power to drive these.

They excel with massed voices and percussion. Imaging is both spacious and precise with considerable depth. Instruments have a "bloom" and roundness that you almost never hear from standard box speakers.

My non-audiophile friends who walk in the room have an immediate positive reaction towards their appearance. The Walnut cabinets (made by Seth Cothron @studio38designs) look fantastic.

As Jerry McNutt, president of Eminence Speaker says, “The best way to not sound boxy is to not use a box.”

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This is the drawing I gave my carpenter, which he used to build the speakers:

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Your carpenter should be fired for using vertical grain on a horizontally stressed structural component. The wings are going to crack or get bumped and crack along the grain. The wings can be reinforced but they will still split, especially in Chicago. This is poor cabinetry. This is how karate ‘experts’ break boards, along the grain lines where the wood is very weak.

Apologies if the carpenter was you. It will last for a while but it won’t sustain the wrath of a three year old or a new puppy.
 
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Like this? http://www.quarter-wave.com/Project09/Project09.html

In a very quick read about the web, the inductor is very large in a passive crossover and can - possibly - give tube amps a hard time. Better to use active crossovers followed by 4 channels of amplification. If the crossover is DSP, then it's easy to discuss various frequency and filter orders, implement easily via PC connection and quickly hear results.
 
review after 20 hours for someone who want to build this speaker, must give some space between speaker and the wall, at least 1 meter.
the inductor 20mH dcr 0.8R no easy to find, if you have lcr meter, try diy 14awg or 16awg iron core coil.
the 500uf cap no any choice, you can see the attached pic, i combine 330+82+82+4.7, forget it, i tried electrolytic capacitors, 500uf, 560uf 470uf even 680uf, all no bad, if you stored some good resistor, try duelund resistor on the 10R position, really good.
finally, i need to say this bass boost crossover circuit, 100% work, if somebody start to build open baffle, this one is a good choice.
i diy a lot open baffle, plug and play the cap, inductor, result like missing something.... then add another 15" woofer....... then replace full range........ then add a tweeter or super tweeter with L-pad....... then try active crossover........ then cut another board but bigger size with full range.............. many then..... if someone like me, dont think too much, just go for it.
many thanks perry, good job.
 
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