One gets tired of the "it is the owner not the dog" talk. Or "it is a question of the right upbringing".
As unpredictable normally quite responsible grown up humans can be, so are animals but with a less developed sense of cause-effect understanding.
As unpredictable normally quite responsible grown up humans can be, so are animals but with a less developed sense of cause-effect understanding.
Outdoors, I'm all for pepper spray or foam, for loose dogs or a human animal.
In my house, I'd use something else...😱
In my house, I'd use something else...😱
I don't think there's any federal laws here regarding dogs, so it's a patchwork of ordinances depending on where you are.
Where I live, the law is nuanced. A dog is allowed to bite someone in their own yard or house because they're just doing their job. But when that dog bit me in my own yard, that was considered a very grievous offense.
As far as scary dogs, that's glorified here. Everyone here is packing some kind of heat - you'd be a damn fool not to. I always carry pepper spray and a blatantly illegal switchblade. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. Besides, cops have seen it a few times and didn't even take it away from me. They know that honest people have to defend themselves somehow; the bad guys have caches of illegal, untraceable guns. There's guns everywhere here. Even though it's illegal, every store and business has a gun under the counter. The cops know all about it and look the other way.
Trouble is that law is not worth the paper....
If I had a beer for every time a dog jumped up on me while out walking and the owner said "oh he's just being friendly"....
IME 90% of dog owners are ****wits....
One of the most bizarre was the guy who yelled "Stop" as his uncontrolled dog ran at me - then added that he meant me, not the dog!! He got a large piece of my mind....
Ha ha serious warning there 🙂
I recall a woman that treated her spoiled dogs as children (birthday parties for the dogs....) and was told to do a dog training as the dogs bit visitors a few times. When the trainer told her in the first lesson that her behavior towards both the dogs was not according the required normal human-dog relation she just quit the training as she found it to be "bad quality".
Human stupidity seems to have no ending. When I go MTBing I see "responsible" dog owners cleaning up the **** of the animal with a plastic bag... only to leave the plastic bag with the **** at the spot 🙂 Some walk in the woods while carrying clothed young dogs the whole time. Amazing, isn't it?
I recall a woman that treated her spoiled dogs as children (birthday parties for the dogs....) and was told to do a dog training as the dogs bit visitors a few times. When the trainer told her in the first lesson that her behavior towards both the dogs was not according the required normal human-dog relation she just quit the training as she found it to be "bad quality".
Human stupidity seems to have no ending. When I go MTBing I see "responsible" dog owners cleaning up the **** of the animal with a plastic bag... only to leave the plastic bag with the **** at the spot 🙂 Some walk in the woods while carrying clothed young dogs the whole time. Amazing, isn't it?
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There can certainly be a lack of consistency when dealing with dogs found to be dangerously out of control.
In my experience, most "dog problems" are actually people problems. People just don't know how to interact with dogs.
In college, I had a roommate with a Springer Spaniel. The dog was very sweet but not trained at all. The girl talked to the dog like he was a human and I'm not exaggerating. She even fed him people food - so wrong! The dog was obnoxious and didn't know a single command. I started training him right away and I swear it only took a few days of talking to him like he was a dog for him to come around. Within a few weeks he was very well adjusted and obedient - and he started to ignore my dippy roommate. I was his new owner and he loved me (the feeling was mutual). She got mad and told me to stop training her dog and I said OK but only if you start training him. She was quite indignant but I did notice that she took a lot of cues from me (typical female mentality). They moved out after one semester (I was glad to pay her portion of the rent to be rid of her) and we all lived happily ever after.
In the case of the dog that bit me, the dog did have a disposition problem. The owner was very conscientious and very upset when the dog bit me. Neither of us knew that Rhodesian Ridgebacks are not exactly neighborhood friendly dogs. That's our fault.
I certainly don't blame the people or business owners for "packing heat", not with the state of society being what it is like today.
Besides, it's a Constitutional Right. 😉
Here, there are ordinences requiring all pet owners to have their dog on a leash outdoors, and carry a bag to scoop up dog crap if need be.
Of course, a few ignore that warning, and face fines.
Until about 15 years ago, all guns in Chicago were illegal (except for cops and security guards). Predictably, it went to the Supreme Court and was overturned.
The problem is that there has always been so many illegal guns. It's easy for anyone to get a gun without providing any ID because gun laws are lax in Indiana (easy to buy) and straw purchases are treated as a paperwork error, not a crime. Sol there's no criminal penalty for selling a gun to a convicted felon! And the political class was targeting law abiding citizens legally purchased firearms - you might as well just shoot us dead when you confiscate our guns! If they know for a fact you're not packing heat, you're dead on the street!
The cops would only take our guns when forced to and they hated it. Now at least we can CCW which restores the uneasy balance on the streets. I don't like guns but it's survival. I don't carry but I don't go down without my pound of flesh either.
As far as dog scat, I live on the corner so I deal with more than my share. Sometimes they bag it up and leave it on my lawn - thanks. You haven't lived until you run it over with the lawn mower - not as bad as yellow jackets but the stink hangs around for a couple days.
The problem is that there has always been so many illegal guns. It's easy for anyone to get a gun without providing any ID because gun laws are lax in Indiana (easy to buy) and straw purchases are treated as a paperwork error, not a crime. Sol there's no criminal penalty for selling a gun to a convicted felon! And the political class was targeting law abiding citizens legally purchased firearms - you might as well just shoot us dead when you confiscate our guns! If they know for a fact you're not packing heat, you're dead on the street!
The cops would only take our guns when forced to and they hated it. Now at least we can CCW which restores the uneasy balance on the streets. I don't like guns but it's survival. I don't carry but I don't go down without my pound of flesh either.
As far as dog scat, I live on the corner so I deal with more than my share. Sometimes they bag it up and leave it on my lawn - thanks. You haven't lived until you run it over with the lawn mower - not as bad as yellow jackets but the stink hangs around for a couple days.
And I'd like to add in fairness that now CPD is very aggressive in getting illegal guns off the streets. They search them out and confiscate them, they have an anonymous tip hotline, and they sponsor no-questions-asked gun drop off events in every community in Chicago, several times a year.
i'd chime in for bear spray, too. The containers I've seen are not al that big, and bear spray has volume and reaching power that the personal pepper spray lacks. Another possibility would be a blocking oscillator built using a small filament transformer. The transformer is worked backwards, so you get a couple of kilovolts coming out of the primary. You can feel the shock all the way up your arm, so if you hit a dog's snout with such a jolt, I strongly suspect he'll lose interest in a hurry.
You lately get handguns shooting pepper spray balls, would work good, works with air cannisters. If you get bitten by a dog around here when the dog is not on the owners premise than U can sue the owner for Dr and hospital bills and much more. Inbreeding also causes dogs to do weird things.
Dog bites should be reported to police and/or animal control so the dog's owner can be dealt with.
Tom
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You lately get handguns shooting pepper spray balls, would work good, works with air cannisters. If you get bitten by a dog around here when the dog is not on the owners premise than U can sue the owner for Dr and hospital bills and much more. Inbreeding also causes dogs to do weird things.
The pepper ball guns are not legal in all states here - you can't get one in California, for example.
Some hundred years ago there was a specific category of gun called 'Radfahrerrevolver' (cyclist's revolver) for exactly these cases.
Revolver Arminius Radfahrerrevolver | SIEGERT
Meanwhile in the UK if you are bitten by a dog you can legally insist that it will be put down.
Revolver Arminius Radfahrerrevolver | SIEGERT
Meanwhile in the UK if you are bitten by a dog you can legally insist that it will be put down.
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Sorry to hear of your bad luck. Around here one can sue the socks off an owner if you get bitten by his dog in the street. Just make sure he has some money left to buy some dogfood. Dogs are being bred and taught to be aggressive, the normal household around here has alarms, 6 to 10 foot walls with electrical fences to keep the criminals out. I have a rescue mastiff american bulldog lady, one of a kind, se sleeps next to my bed.
