Mongrel.txt contains all the necessary models for the simulation. It only needs to be in the same directory, and LTSpice will use it's contents when it scans the ".include mongrel.txt" command in the schematic. This is included so that the same device models are used whenever the file changes hands. This way we all get the same results.
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the reason for the 'mongrel" ...A supersym/symasym wrapped in every economical enhancement this site has to offer while still keeping it fairly simple.
My goal is to have the complexity somewhere between a quasi amp and one of the advanced PPM amps (syn08 stuff) , the build to be as easy as a quasi or symasym (perhaps easier).
It seems to me that this could be the 2010 DIY Audio SS reference amp. If so, pcb's from a vendor might be the way to go (no toner transfer).
Hey , keen read post #485 ,#487 ,and #489. Here ... http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid-state/133306-frugalamp-os-49.html#post1691340
It is optimal for the phase to start at 0 dg , slope to a shelf of -90 / -100dg , and not dropping past that until after the unity gain point. Using these rules , I stabilized all the frugalamps and my present supersym (1 year old
).
Detailed explanation is here : http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid-state/133306-frugalamp-os-48.html#post1691281.... Post #474.
Good info ,better sounding with no burning amps since.
OS
It is optimal for the phase to start at 0 dg , slope to a shelf of -90 / -100dg , and not dropping past that until after the unity gain point. Using these rules , I stabilized all the frugalamps and my present supersym (1 year old

Detailed explanation is here : http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid-state/133306-frugalamp-os-48.html#post1691281.... Post #474.
Good info ,better sounding with no burning amps since.
OS
Did you extract the zip file to a folder before you opened it? LTSpice can't look inside zipped folders.
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Hey , keen read post #485 ,#487 ,and #489. Here ... http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid-state/133306-frugalamp-os-49.html#post1691340
It is optimal for the phase to start at 0 dg , slope to a shelf of -90 / -100dg , and not dropping past that until after the unity gain point. Using these rules , I stabilized all the frugalamps and my present supersym (1 year old).
Detailed explanation is here : http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid-state/133306-frugalamp-os-48.html#post1691281.... Post #474.
Good info ,better sounding with no burning amps since.
OS
I haven't a clue what you mean, there is nothing wrong with my file or the way I measure open-loop gain.
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Andrew , here's the latest .. no text needed. Models as directive (on simulation).
Don't want amp of the year. 😀 Must make the prototypes (toner transfer) first to probe it to death with my scope and do an audition/tweaking.
OS
By Bigun - If so, pcb's from a vendor might be the way to go (no toner transfer).
Don't want amp of the year. 😀 Must make the prototypes (toner transfer) first to probe it to death with my scope and do an audition/tweaking.
OS
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To get the text out of the way right click on it and select "not visible". This hides it without changing the simulation.
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Keen, read #474 ,then look at the example by mjl21193(post #487). I posted because I got strange results from your asc.
Try the new one , it is nearly optimal. (according to #474)
OS
Try the new one , it is nearly optimal. (according to #474)
OS
Two part boards are good , if you tinker , you won't have to rip up the big stuff ! Driver trannies are best on the main HS. It takes the ambient (case , room) out of the thermal comp. 😎 A mosfet (verticle irf240/9240) should be the same as my njw0281/0302's. For mosfet , feel free to use mje340/350's as drivers.I am trying a PCB for your symasym in two parts, voltage and output stage separate. That way it would also be easy to try the Mosfet version which you posted a while ago. Do the driver transistors have to have their own heatsink or can they go with the OP trannies? Thanks.
OS
What expression for loop gain ?? I am into gaining anything.
OS
edit : andy c's _x OPS models are not included in mongrel.txt Not a condemnation , just an observation.
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edit : andy c's _x OPS models are not included in mongrel.txt Not a condemnation , just an observation.
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There is a comment under all the simulator commands that contains the OLG trace, I should have indicated it somehow. Plot "-V(vout)/V(vx)".
Sorry everyone, I included the wrong Mongrel.txt in the last upload! Use this one instead.
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Sorry everyone, I included the wrong Mongrel.txt in the last upload! Use this one instead.
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I found your old mongrel.txt ... here is what I got (-61db)
why did you add 1khz to v5 ?
below is the loop gain plot I generated.
OS
why did you add 1khz to v5 ?
below is the loop gain plot I generated.
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