That's good. Can you explain how the zobel is controlling the current through the voice coil?
Hi Scott,
As you think, it is obvious that the zobel does not control the current into the voice coil; it could only marginally change it if some conditions are met: i.e. IF the (amplifier+wiring) have a somewhat sufficient impedance, relative to the zobel impedance, this being considered according frequency.
Note: this includes current-control amplifiers and obviously valve amplifiers.
Nothing new here again.
As you think, it is obvious that the zobel does not control the current into the voice coil; it could only marginally change it if some conditions are met: i.e. IF the (amplifier+wiring) have a somewhat sufficient impedance, relative to the zobel impedance, this being considered according frequency.
Note: this includes current-control amplifiers and obviously valve amplifiers.
Nothing new here again.
I have been very clear!
Be fair, ask questions if there is something you want me to clarity. Accusing me of being unclear unmask you, not me. Instead I get accused of saying things I didn't even say? Com'on, let's get real here!
That is a much better question. It is a complex question and with a complex answer. When I have tried my best to answer it, it has not ended well.
I cannot answer that question in a single post. I have to establish common ground where we both agree, then proceed on that basis.
What do I get then? "There is nothing new in what you are saying."
Of course there is not. I Baseball you have to get to first base before you can get to second and so on. I get to first base and get shut down every time. That is very disheartening because we never make any progress, sigh.
I would like to make the case, but I don't get the chance. It is a complex subject where not everything is what it seems to be. For example, a tiny snippet, under current drive there is no control over the voltage, and under voltage drive there is no control over the current. So with most amplifiers the very thing that causes sound (F + BLi) is the one thing that the amplifier has no direct control over.
Can we agree on that? Do we have common ground?
If we do, then ask the question "how is the system damped if we have no actual direct control over the current, what could go wrong?"
Correct question.
Now we can have a discussion on that subject and maybe find new common ground.
This is how it is supposed to work and this is how I was trained!
We could have a fantastic conversation, but instead all I see is galloping egos, know what I mean?
So it really is not up to me.
Up to you and the other guys.
1.45AM here, so I will say goodnight!
I did a bit of work on impedance, but nobody was very interested:
Flat Impedance and Flat Power response design.
TBH, I couldn't hear much improvement. Amps mostly seem to cope with impedance bumps. But your mileage may differ. 🙂
Flat Impedance and Flat Power response design.
TBH, I couldn't hear much improvement. Amps mostly seem to cope with impedance bumps. But your mileage may differ. 🙂
That reminds me of the guy that built the tower of Pisa. He wanted to cantilever the stone awning (iirc) around one of the top floors, but the town architect said no, you need pylons to support it at the outer edges. So he built the supports for all to see but left them not connected, with a small gap at the top, which wasn't discovered until much later.
Just a longshot: maybe the Elsinore won't show that much with regular amplifiers? Maybe the benefits shows with high output impedance amplifiers?
Just a thought...
Just a thought...
They will be published, not posted.
There are too many galloping egos and you can't get past first base. It will be written up and it will either stand or fail. Time will tell - and I have an ace that will be included and it's a beauty.
In the mean time that won't stop you posting conjecture as fact. In that case you shouldn't object when people ask questions IMHO.
Scott, I recognise that you are baiting me. You have no right to insult me by saying that I am posting conjecture as fact. Rather, you should apologise for even saying so!
I recognise bragging, when you put somebody else down you are elevating your own ego. That is the very act of bragging.
Honestly, I have had enough. You cannot ever satisfy those galloping egos!
This thread is for DIY, it's about wood, glue and screws.
So Scott, why are you even here?
I recognise bragging, when you put somebody else down you are elevating your own ego. That is the very act of bragging.
Honestly, I have had enough. You cannot ever satisfy those galloping egos!
This thread is for DIY, it's about wood, glue and screws.
So Scott, why are you even here?
No point since you don't answer my question, instead you tell me what question I should ask. 🙄
If the thread is about wood, glue and screws why do you keep posting about your mystery theory?
If the thread is about wood, glue and screws why do you keep posting about your mystery theory?
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There you go again, feeding your own ego. Go find somebody else to victimise. I tried very hard, but when you can't even find common ground, I tried and then you bite my hand off.
Just go away! I am sure you will want to have the final say and then shrug off with your Pyrrhic Victory.
I am sure you will need to Google that one.
PS: Do you even know how to build speakers? Why are you even here?
Just go away! I am sure you will want to have the final say and then shrug off with your Pyrrhic Victory.
I am sure you will need to Google that one.
PS: Do you even know how to build speakers? Why are you even here?
Exactly, any decent amp with a low Zout has no problem whatsoever staying linear with a load of varying impedance, given that the impedance does not become lower than the drive capability of the amp.