Don’t put them in the picture.
Spread in Lombardia area most probably started from businessmen traveling from/ to China. Those early cases and initial spread were treated for pneumonia “This happened right when we were having our peak of influenza and people were presenting with influenza symptoms.”.
Thus the Covid-19 was spread uncharacterized for some weeks before Jan20, day of the first reported case (at Codogno hospital, the same hospital where the 'unusually high number of pneumonia cases’ had so far been treated) .
George
zerohedge is one of the main sources of fake and misleading news together with Breitbart and infowars.
I would not believe anything from that 'source'.
I would say most fake psy-ops are MSN , CNN, Fox , PBS, NY Times and the ABC's.
The only one of those I get here is CNN and I don't watch them.
Usually I use BBC, euronews, DW, France24 and Al Jazeera besides Reuters.
I have to say that in my experience Al Jazeera is very reliable indeed but that doesn't change the fact that zerohedge, Breitbart and infowars are by far the least reliable, worse even than Fox (I used their website for comic entertainment until I got hold of a plug in that blocks everything connected to Rupert Murdoch).
Usually I use BBC, euronews, DW, France24 and Al Jazeera besides Reuters.
I have to say that in my experience Al Jazeera is very reliable indeed but that doesn't change the fact that zerohedge, Breitbart and infowars are by far the least reliable, worse even than Fox (I used their website for comic entertainment until I got hold of a plug in that blocks everything connected to Rupert Murdoch).
Yes it’s a potent CYP3A4 inhibitor. I hadn’t looked for any interactions but thanks for pointing that out 🙂.
La Republica (Italian newspaper):
Covid-19 Reported cases in Italy, statistics
Age/ % /number
0-9: 0,5% (43)
10-19: 1% (85)
20-29: 3,4% (296)
30-39: 5,6% (470)
40-49: 10,7% (891)
50-59: 17,4% (1453)
60-69: 17,7% (1471)
70-79: 21,4% (1785)
80 and above: 18,4% (1532)
Deaths due to Covid-19 in Italy, statistics
Age/ % /number
0-39 : 0% (0)
40-49: 0,3% (1)
50-59: 0.8% (3)
60-69:10.4% (37)
70-79: 31,9% (114)
80 and above: 56,6% (202)
George
Covid-19 Reported cases in Italy, statistics
Age/ % /number
0-9: 0,5% (43)
10-19: 1% (85)
20-29: 3,4% (296)
30-39: 5,6% (470)
40-49: 10,7% (891)
50-59: 17,4% (1453)
60-69: 17,7% (1471)
70-79: 21,4% (1785)
80 and above: 18,4% (1532)
Deaths due to Covid-19 in Italy, statistics
Age/ % /number
0-39 : 0% (0)
40-49: 0,3% (1)
50-59: 0.8% (3)
60-69:10.4% (37)
70-79: 31,9% (114)
80 and above: 56,6% (202)
George
I implore you, and anyone else, to not purposely get sick, with SARS-CoV-2 or anything else for that matter. Without getting condescendingly technical, population immunity doesn't really work like that. You would, like all other patients, become a much greater risk factor for yourself and others far outweighing the personal immunity you may have afterwards.
And only because we were talking about it before, same goes for chickenpox! Don't purposefully get your children sick with the chickenpox. If you want to be safe and smart, get the vaccine.
I'm not 100% sure I got chickenpox when I was young, should I push for getting the vaccine just in case?
It is possible to get extremely mild, flu-like symptoms from the flu vaccine. It is severely weakened influenza after all. But please, please, please get the vaccine every year! More than just for protecting yourself, I consider it a social and civic duty.
Everyone who has argued that the Coronavirus outbreak is overhyped argues that the Flu kills thousands and thousands a year and we don't care about that. They are wrong that we shouldn't care about the current outbreak but very correct that many needlessly die from the Flu and very few people care.
I would ask your PCP next time you see them. It is rarely a bad idea, but there are specific circumstances that could make it more risky that your doc should easily be able to account for. And, even if you did get chickenpox as a youngin, the vaccine would likely limit your chances of getting shingles, which is just an awful disease.
I don't think he's thinking about population immunity, that's not what's motivating him (I think, can't speak for others.) He's referring to being able to get access hospital care. That may not be possible a few months from now....I've heard that they've had to make some hard choices on who's able to receive care in Italy (I'm sure these decisions are also made in other places.) He's worried that they (doctors in a overwhelmed hospital) may decide that other people have a better chance of surviving and would therefore get the care that he would need.
I don't think it's really a science question, more a question of morality...I've thought about it myself.
True. I had flu vaccine in October, the symptoms were extr. mild for two days.
In Italy annual flu death number is 600-700.
Todays Italy's official numbers for Covid-19 are: 631 deaths, 10500 reported cases (this is within 19 days since first reported case)
Italy's outbrake was 40 days behind China's.
George
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Most folks in the US do not get the live attenuated version of the flu vaccine, but a completely inoculated version. The crappy feeling you get is from your immune system revving up to the new infection (even if it cannot replicate). *If* you keep up with your annual flu vaccinations, the effects year after year decrease as we do maintain some memory for flu, so you elicit less of an innate immune response and more of an adaptive one. Plus there is carry over in immunity within influenza, so off target vaccinations still help a bunch. Moral of the story, get your flu shot each year for your and everyone else's benefit.
We're unfortunately not able to do that for Covid-19. At least not this year, and I'll be surprised if one will be ready by Nov 2020.
Chris -- can't remember if they have a titre test (maybe skin? I could be mixing it up with TB) for shingles/chickenpox. If you test negative, I'd be getting vaccinated.
George -- I think it's fair to say that Italy having a large Chinese population is a risk factor. Not to slander the Chinese at all, but the greater connectivity between the populations (via travel) certainly means that it was going to be probable -- follows right out of how infections spread. Had the breakout occurred in Algeria, France would be hit hard. (And again, huge emphasis on to no fault of the Algerians) What should be emphasized is that while, yes, it came out of China, it could literally been ANY OF US, and this is where we need a rallying cry to being citizens of a global community.
Italy also unfortunately has the perfectly wrong population distribution to fight off the disease. 🙁
We're unfortunately not able to do that for Covid-19. At least not this year, and I'll be surprised if one will be ready by Nov 2020.
Chris -- can't remember if they have a titre test (maybe skin? I could be mixing it up with TB) for shingles/chickenpox. If you test negative, I'd be getting vaccinated.
George -- I think it's fair to say that Italy having a large Chinese population is a risk factor. Not to slander the Chinese at all, but the greater connectivity between the populations (via travel) certainly means that it was going to be probable -- follows right out of how infections spread. Had the breakout occurred in Algeria, France would be hit hard. (And again, huge emphasis on to no fault of the Algerians) What should be emphasized is that while, yes, it came out of China, it could literally been ANY OF US, and this is where we need a rallying cry to being citizens of a global community.
Italy also unfortunately has the perfectly wrong population distribution to fight off the disease. 🙁
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Oh I see, then, yeah, that is a tougher question. That said, at this point from a prognosis standpoint, I would still argue that it is more likely to do more hard than good, for both others and yourself.
Yup! With most mild infections the symptoms we feel are predominately from our immune system's response. So everything is working as it should.
And to be abundantly clear, I'm admonishing you for not doing your research and understanding the first principles at play. Ignorance and ideology that resists overwhelming evidence is literally deadly in this realm.
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