I think it's clear then, we should keep the chickens in the dark about how bad things are for people!
Knowing that they might be anxious about how COVID-19 will effect us makes me feel a little bad about eating their eggs....
30 Pee Wee eggs, $4.60 at the market....
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"this thing is deep in finite absolutes" (As Dr Forbin is reading a printout of communications between Colossus & Guardian) The two computers were trying to create a new form of communication using mathematics.
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Hehe, that's tempting!
I'm looking around for my graduated cylinder so I can make my 70% blend.
I put it somewhere safe and now I can't find it! All I have are measuring cups that don't have accurate measurements for ml. 😛
I'm looking around for my graduated cylinder so I can make my 70% blend.
I put it somewhere safe and now I can't find it! All I have are measuring cups that don't have accurate measurements for ml. 😛
Make it 69% I say. Then it can be shared with the ladies.
Are we getting a wee off topic here, or have we said pretty much everything there is to say?
Are we getting a wee off topic here, or have we said pretty much everything there is to say?
OT? I thought if I drank enough of this stuff I'd be immune to everything.
Okay, you're right, enough... except to report that 100% alc. tastes TERRIBLE! Don't do it.
Blended to 70% for spraying often touched surfaces around the house.
Carry on!
This paper is A MUST READ!!!
Thank you Kevin
Has any of you a way to find out if treating food (and anything else people may put into there mouth) could be treated with ozone to kill of this virus?
My idea is to build a well sealed ozone-container for treating protection masks, kitchen gear, eyeglasses a. s. o. , but also food.
If this would work it could safe countless lives!
My concern are the possible toxic reaction products.
It is a big unknown to me.
Suddenly there is a lot in the media about "sanitation". Most seems to focus on bacteria and some seems pretty off track.
If one is quarantining (like we are here in SFBay) I would like some reasonable and clear direction. There was one article in Foreign Policy The Wuhan Virus: How to Stay Safe which seemed rational from someone experienced in surviving in dangerious epidemics. At the other end I see stuff suggesting stepping outside one's home is entering a class 3 containment. There must be some middle ground that's clear. I'll sanitize door knobs and surfaces when I come in and wash hands but do we really need to treat the exposed surfaces of food packaging like its coated with cyanide and would kill with contact?
I like to work from first principles, in this case how the virus spreads and how to control it. Especially, if this becomes the new normal.
If one is quarantining (like we are here in SFBay) I would like some reasonable and clear direction. There was one article in Foreign Policy The Wuhan Virus: How to Stay Safe which seemed rational from someone experienced in surviving in dangerious epidemics. At the other end I see stuff suggesting stepping outside one's home is entering a class 3 containment. There must be some middle ground that's clear. I'll sanitize door knobs and surfaces when I come in and wash hands but do we really need to treat the exposed surfaces of food packaging like its coated with cyanide and would kill with contact?
I like to work from first principles, in this case how the virus spreads and how to control it. Especially, if this becomes the new normal.
Drinking anything over about 60% will de-fat the tissue in your throat. This is a very bad idea. Look at your fingers after cleaning something with 70% isopropol and notice the white. This is damage to your skin.
AKA projection vomiting?
Sean will know the answer but keep in mind a virus is not an organism to be killed as it's not alive. Think of a virus as a seed. Like a seed it's needs to be put into an environment where it can do it's thing. Viruses get 'planted' into their hosts. Otherwise it either sits there and waits or decomposes into almost nothingness. Sean help me out here please.
Not to mention the liver. I hear that particular organ prefers something around 5%. 🙂
First principles: the most direct, efficient form of transmission is aerosolized water droplets from breathing and talking, but these have a fairly limited reach of diffusion (coughing/sneezing 1000x worse), which is where the 6+ ft principle comes into play (and limited interaction time). Other major form of transmission is touching a mucous membrane with a contaminated part of your body, specifically hands. That's where the keeping commonly touched objects sterilized and washing hands comes into play. Healthy skin will not allow the virus through, but if it's on your hands, its not long for your mouth/nose/eyes/etc (we subconsciously touch these so so frequently) so we need to be vigilant.
The virus appears very durable, surviving on naturally disinfectant surfaces for a good while (e.g. copper for 4 hours) and something like 24 hours on cardboard. So, generally, just consider your hands contaminated the second you touch something outside your house that you know isn't recently sterilized.
We need a modicum of sunshine--not sure what the shelter-in-place rules are officially but core principle is to mitigate *heavily* the chance of infection, and that means taking hard measures to ensure folks aren't getting too close and interacting with contaminated surfaces.
Not Sean but I'll give it a crack: dose makes the poison. Ozone is pretty aggressive disinfectant as it binds up and (shockingly) oxidizes organic molecules, but it really depends on concentration and time. Beat up the shell of the virus, it might be viable. Knock out some key proteins or irreversibly damage surface proteins which allow it to enter a cell, it's toast.
Virus is still a biological particle, arguments about alive or not, we can talk about what it takes to "kill" or render the virus incapable of infection and propagation, which can come in the form of most any mechanism it uses.
From Pall Thordarson, a professor of chemistry at the University of New South Wales, Sydney:
"When you touch, say, a steel surface with a virus particle on it, it will stick to your skin and hence get transferred on to your hands. If you then touch your face, especially your eyes, nostrils or mouth, you can get infected. And it turns out that most people touch their face once every two to five minutes.
Washing the virus off with water alone might work. But water is not good at competing with the strong, glue-like interactions between the skin and the virus. Water isn’t enough.
Soapy water is totally different. Soap contains fat-like substances known as amphiphiles, some of which are structurally very similar to the lipids in the virus membrane. The soap molecules “compete” with the lipids in the virus membrane. This is more or less how soap also removes normal dirt from the skin.
The soap not only loosens the “glue” between the virus and the skin but also the Velcro-like interactions that hold the proteins, lipids and RNA in the virus together."
"When you touch, say, a steel surface with a virus particle on it, it will stick to your skin and hence get transferred on to your hands. If you then touch your face, especially your eyes, nostrils or mouth, you can get infected. And it turns out that most people touch their face once every two to five minutes.
Washing the virus off with water alone might work. But water is not good at competing with the strong, glue-like interactions between the skin and the virus. Water isn’t enough.
Soapy water is totally different. Soap contains fat-like substances known as amphiphiles, some of which are structurally very similar to the lipids in the virus membrane. The soap molecules “compete” with the lipids in the virus membrane. This is more or less how soap also removes normal dirt from the skin.
The soap not only loosens the “glue” between the virus and the skin but also the Velcro-like interactions that hold the proteins, lipids and RNA in the virus together."
Don't know if this has been brought up yet but as all other viruses vaccines are periodically adjusted for in terms of mutation, how likely is it this one could mutate into a deadlier one before a vaccine is made, thus rendering a promising vaccine useless? What are the chances of it getting stronger rather than weaker?
Don't know. Is there a virologist in 'da house?
A vaccine, if possible, is at least a year away. The pipe dream floated today, of using an old malaria drug, is just that. It was mentioned simply to calm nerves by someone who has no clue what to do about this crisis.
A vaccine, if possible, is at least a year away. The pipe dream floated today, of using an old malaria drug, is just that. It was mentioned simply to calm nerves by someone who has no clue what to do about this crisis.
Roll the dice in terms of whether it gets more/less/the same dangerous, honestly. We generally don't year-in year-out with various influenza strains, even the regularly circulating ones.
I'm sure there's some folks that work deep in virology that understand the mutation mechanisms and probabilities of it changing dramatically enough to escape (or at least blunt the effect of) a vaccine made with today's most prevalent strand. The likelihood that an effective vaccine made from today's SARS-COV-2 variant becoming rendered useless is extremely unlikely. A vaccine may lose efficacy, but would still provide a tremendous positive effect (reducing severity, duration, transmission rate).
That's why getting our annual flu shot is helpful even during a year with high mismatch, it still provides a strong protective effect.
I'm sure there's some folks that work deep in virology that understand the mutation mechanisms and probabilities of it changing dramatically enough to escape (or at least blunt the effect of) a vaccine made with today's most prevalent strand. The likelihood that an effective vaccine made from today's SARS-COV-2 variant becoming rendered useless is extremely unlikely. A vaccine may lose efficacy, but would still provide a tremendous positive effect (reducing severity, duration, transmission rate).
That's why getting our annual flu shot is helpful even during a year with high mismatch, it still provides a strong protective effect.
We bought a Kinsa thermometer the other day, and just got a message from their CEO about their "health map". When you take your temperature, the data gets sent to your phone to the app via the Kinsa server, which has a copy of everyone's temperature. So, they can display a map that shows elevated temperatures across the US. Maybe there is a good correlation with the COVID-19 outbreak, and maybe there isn't...too early to tell. But their maps are showing a lot of elevated temperatures in Florida. Florida is still catching up with testing, but if the next area with high incidences of COVID-19 is Florida, then this temperature data might be a good indicator... Kentucky is also an area with higher than normal temperature data.
Here is the link to the health map: US Health Weather Map by Kinsa
Here is the message from the Kinsa CEO explaining this map: A Note from Kinsa's CEO
Here is the link to the health map: US Health Weather Map by Kinsa
Here is the message from the Kinsa CEO explaining this map: A Note from Kinsa's CEO
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