Fin,
Glad you were able to finish in time for the event, the picture makes me want to head "down under" again, looks like a good time!
At only 4mm peak to peak you still had more than 6 dB peak headroom available, but for the long haul better to be safe than sorry...
Art
Glad you were able to finish in time for the event, the picture makes me want to head "down under" again, looks like a good time!
At only 4mm peak to peak you still had more than 6 dB peak headroom available, but for the long haul better to be safe than sorry...
Art
You could come next year and do a talk at the festival!
They invited Bear Stanley in a few years ago. Sadly he died in a car accident not long after.
Any louder and it got uncomfortable to listen too. You dont realize how loud they are because they are so clean...and I didn't want to blow the compression drivers so I went easy.
We also ran out of power on the sub-woofer amplifier, which limited the sub output. Though the balance of volume was just right over all.
I didn't measure them, but I estimate the subs run about 6db louder than the syntripps. We like big bass so we add some extra.
Subs are 35-100 - 24db BW both ends.
Syntripps 80 - 950 / 950 to infinity (and beyond) with 24BW on the lower, 18LW on the mid-high.
Need a new sub amp. Got a friend who has access to Crown and Lab Gruppen at wholesale! He may be able to help us out!
They invited Bear Stanley in a few years ago. Sadly he died in a car accident not long after.
Any louder and it got uncomfortable to listen too. You dont realize how loud they are because they are so clean...and I didn't want to blow the compression drivers so I went easy.
We also ran out of power on the sub-woofer amplifier, which limited the sub output. Though the balance of volume was just right over all.
I didn't measure them, but I estimate the subs run about 6db louder than the syntripps. We like big bass so we add some extra.
Subs are 35-100 - 24db BW both ends.
Syntripps 80 - 950 / 950 to infinity (and beyond) with 24BW on the lower, 18LW on the mid-high.
Need a new sub amp. Got a friend who has access to Crown and Lab Gruppen at wholesale! He may be able to help us out!
I'd love to come to the festival, have to see how funds work out next year...
You are crossing the mids higher and the HF at a shallower slope than I did, what HF compression drivers did you end up using?
You are crossing the mids higher and the HF at a shallower slope than I did, what HF compression drivers did you end up using?
CD = Celestian CDX14-3060....the FERRITE version.
Simply because of the cost. And the store 2 blocks away gave them to me at wholesale price because they loved the project. Everyone has been super helpful and generous!
The plywood I found was beautiful to work with. Super good but dense and heavy. That with the ferrite CD's made the boxes quite heavy.
I did see the mids were crossed higher than yours. I was being over cautious in not risking drivers crashing into the plugs.
I am a little green with managing a higher powered speaker system, so decided to play it safe and cross at 80. A bit of overlap with the sub between 80 and 100, but bit of mid bass kick goes well with our electronic dance music.
The DBX Driverack only has a soft limiter. I might see if I can adjust the compressor to act as a hard limiter for douchebags who like to turn the bass knobs to 10.
Simply because of the cost. And the store 2 blocks away gave them to me at wholesale price because they loved the project. Everyone has been super helpful and generous!
The plywood I found was beautiful to work with. Super good but dense and heavy. That with the ferrite CD's made the boxes quite heavy.
I did see the mids were crossed higher than yours. I was being over cautious in not risking drivers crashing into the plugs.
I am a little green with managing a higher powered speaker system, so decided to play it safe and cross at 80. A bit of overlap with the sub between 80 and 100, but bit of mid bass kick goes well with our electronic dance music.
The DBX Driverack only has a soft limiter. I might see if I can adjust the compressor to act as a hard limiter for douchebags who like to turn the bass knobs to 10.
Is the drawing set up to date and correct?
I'm thinking of making a set for a friend of mine.
See if I can make a useful PA cabinet for once.
I'm thinking of making a set for a friend of mine.
See if I can make a useful PA cabinet for once.
They were complete enough to make a successful unit that would fit together without any gaps, but I would like to make a nice set of cut plans.
The compound angles took some practice, but we can document with photographs our procedure. The order of the cuts was important.
Being in Canada, you will be happy to know the measurements are all Metric.
If anyone in the Flat Earth Society wants to create the cut plans to show ye old SAE measurements I will put the original cad files somewhere public.
The compound angles took some practice, but we can document with photographs our procedure. The order of the cuts was important.
Being in Canada, you will be happy to know the measurements are all Metric.
If anyone in the Flat Earth Society wants to create the cut plans to show ye old SAE measurements I will put the original cad files somewhere public.
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Thanks.
I work with either SAE (inches) or metric.
I don't think it will be to hard of a project. I have been doing whacky stuff like this for a long, long time.
Might want to check out my Youtube channel. Same as my avatar.
I might even have a few drivers that could be used instead of. Never know.
CAD files would be appreciated.
I work with either SAE (inches) or metric.
I don't think it will be to hard of a project. I have been doing whacky stuff like this for a long, long time.
Might want to check out my Youtube channel. Same as my avatar.
I might even have a few drivers that could be used instead of. Never know.
CAD files would be appreciated.
Great mate, it's a challenging but fun build in that case!
We made lots of jigs to line things up.
Would be very valuable to have another experienced opinion on approaches to do the compound cuts so they are accurate. (i'm not much of a carpenter)
We made lots of jigs to line things up.
Would be very valuable to have another experienced opinion on approaches to do the compound cuts so they are accurate. (i'm not much of a carpenter)
Really nice to hear your reports FinBot, I'm hosting techno parties also with diy speakers aswell so I'm definitely familiar with your delight in good sound🙂
Some cut plans in metric sounds like music to my ears
Some cut plans in metric sounds like music to my ears
To be frank, I think we should keep the plans close. Pass them privately as opposed to public posting.
You never know who in what land will take them and start pressing, and perhaps the creators on here are not willing to throw disposable finance to fight a stolen plan.
It happens a lot. Not sure if Tom would consider this within the patent or not...(did I just open a can of worms?)
My friends who make things in Indonesia donate to a local school each year, and tells the manufacturer if a copy of her stuff is seen anywhere in the world, the school looses its funding.
You never know who in what land will take them and start pressing, and perhaps the creators on here are not willing to throw disposable finance to fight a stolen plan.
It happens a lot. Not sure if Tom would consider this within the patent or not...(did I just open a can of worms?)
My friends who make things in Indonesia donate to a local school each year, and tells the manufacturer if a copy of her stuff is seen anywhere in the world, the school looses its funding.
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Sad to say this.
But if it's on the net you can be sure that it will be copied if it's worthwhile.
That has happened to me a few times over the years.
I'm perfectly willing to follow your lead.
But if it's on the net you can be sure that it will be copied if it's worthwhile.
That has happened to me a few times over the years.
I'm perfectly willing to follow your lead.
There were two funktion one arrays nearby, which by comparison sounded terrible after listening to the syntripps.
People would leave, then come back in about 20 minutes noting it was way nicer at Coco Poco Loco.
Perhaps the track selection did help alot! 🙂
The difficult of the build is it's strength in not being copied.
The awesomeness of it is what make it desirable.
The awesomeness of it is what make it desirable.
Although I had a small part in helping Art model the Syntrippi and believe it to be a great sounding speaker, like a lot of pro sound reinforcement systems, proper setup is important in getting the proper sound quality out. Are you certain the F1's were setup properly? Not sure if fair comparisons can be made at face value.
Agree it isnt a fair comparison due to distance, component count, spl etc.
None the less, the F1 sounded shouty and unpleasant, and muddy. Ours were transparent.
None the less, the F1 sounded shouty and unpleasant, and muddy. Ours were transparent.
Fin,They were complete enough to make a successful unit that would fit together without any gaps, but I would like to make a nice set of cut plans.
The compound angles took some practice, but we can document with photographs our procedure. The order of the cuts was important.
Being in Canada, you will be happy to know the measurements are all Metric.
If anyone in the Flat Earth Society wants to create the cut plans to show ye old SAE measurements I will put the original cad files somewhere public.
If/when you have completed your version of the plans, email me so I can post the link in the OP after review.
Metric would be fine 😉.
Art
Not that I am competent to build one (I can barely hot-glue plastic or foam sheets together 🙄 ) but dare I ask...?
Why would the creator NOT want to share his plans? No doubt the SynTripP is a wonderful creation that took hours (years) of development. Why would you want to keep the plans secret? Only if you had a commercial motive (possible), but is not this build a strictly DIY effort (due to patents) and could not be commercially sold? I guess you could sell the plans, but would even that be allowed?
Why would the creator NOT want to share his plans? No doubt the SynTripP is a wonderful creation that took hours (years) of development. Why would you want to keep the plans secret? Only if you had a commercial motive (possible), but is not this build a strictly DIY effort (due to patents) and could not be commercially sold? I guess you could sell the plans, but would even that be allowed?
My thoughts are to keep thing like this in the DIY community, so as to attpemt stop manufacturers building without permission, and selling them.
Its unfair that people on here contributed their intellectual input to have someone else make a profit off them.
The plans I have made are very comprehensive.
Its unfair that people on here contributed their intellectual input to have someone else make a profit off them.
The plans I have made are very comprehensive.