In house now...... Matrix 801, 804, Matrix 3, 4333 ,Sentry IIIs, 2020s Tannoys, HPM 100s, And ....my new All horn loaded project starter, these will be my "listeners" and my hip hop client demo machines....... Peavey FH-1s these are a better much improved Lascala bottom. Calling Moray James.......I have the 1504-4s in them now....????
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Unless I get Synergies... El Pipo sub, Fh1s White Whales, Fostex supers. DCX 2496 and for now .....a Sony reciever with direct multi channel in, separate levels per channel (one volume control) Will I need much more power than this? Hell no because those are real speakers Bwhaaaaaaaa......
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Ok I will, but it seemed like he made a good case for a properly designed 2 way as well. Maybe the part about keeping the drivers as close as possible? Seems reasonable.
Oversimplified. Smaller horns have worse LF directivity control so you have to move the crossover higher to match directivity, but this in essence moves the two drivers further apart in terms of wavelengths. There are tradeoffs both ways, but Wayne is fond of only pointing out those of others, not his own. His simulation plots were just that, simulated with ideal data, not real measurements. I have looked at this problem and it just isn't that clear cut. I'd rather have the lower crossover point with vertical lobes at +-20 degrees (remember these exist only over a half octave or so).
Wayne's chosen compromises on the vertical are on pretty clear display here: Pi Speakers - three Pi loudspeaker performance data
Aha, you are right, thanks EG. I can see that now. In retrospect it was glossed over a bit. In reality partial truth is much worse than a lie. I have to admit that I am a fan of a dedicated midrange driver, probably accounts for my missing that.
That seems like a good set of data. Apart from the rise in the midrange, I don't see any resonances.
I'm still not sure why anyone would want Synergy Horns for a mastering suite. They are so atypical of what is on the home market, I don't see the point. Great speakers, but very far from what most people listen to at home. Perhaps as some sort of reference, but reference to what? Very few home speakers sound as big or as dynamic.
The Gedlee speakers on the other hand are more typical, at least of a classic speaker (2-way with horn and 12" woofer). They are an nice improvement over most Hi-Fi speakers, to be sure - but at least in the same ballpark. It seems to me that they would translate better.
The Gedlee speakers on the other hand are more typical, at least of a classic speaker (2-way with horn and 12" woofer). They are an nice improvement over most Hi-Fi speakers, to be sure - but at least in the same ballpark. It seems to me that they would translate better.
I was looking at the IRs Tom provided and there was something that really impressed me in the "listening position" one: if you look down the impulse and find reflexions peaks you will see that the "shape" of the impulse is almost identical to the direct one. In fact when isolating each of them you will find that the amplitude and phase response is almost identical to main one (ignoring LF).
This characteristic seems inherent to the design of the synergy, and quite unique.
A constant directivity system with noncoincident drivers would give similar results for lateral reflexions (sides walls), but not for vertical ones (floor and ground) as phase coherency between sources would be altered.
And on the other a point source system like a fullrange or a simple coaxial driver would give identical reflexions from walls and floor/ground, but none would be identical to the direct one as the system is not constant directivity.
This characteristic seems inherent to the design of the synergy, and quite unique.
A constant directivity system with noncoincident drivers would give similar results for lateral reflexions (sides walls), but not for vertical ones (floor and ground) as phase coherency between sources would be altered.
And on the other a point source system like a fullrange or a simple coaxial driver would give identical reflexions from walls and floor/ground, but none would be identical to the direct one as the system is not constant directivity.
Well, you probably knew I knew that right? (-: I'm not as dumb as I look on paper. 😎 This is the real reason that Tom Danley's approach shows so much promise. The horn loading thing is a side issue both a blessing and a curse, because it presents another set of issues all interelated, much as many of us are here in Kiln Mississippi.😀😀😀
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Two ways. They have rarely been used for mastering. Now we are beginning to run out of headroom. Two words. Hip and Hop. Typical listening levels are HIGH. I also have an issue with too small woofs crossed to subs and so should others in this biz.
So.... Here in the south we have a saying, probably universal, but it rings better with a Brett Favre Hancock County drawl.""What goes around comes around" I expect that this is especially true regarding speaker polar nulls and total energy delivered to the room, especially at vocal bands. One trick I use for mixing is to walk outside the room as a second check for certain relative levels. No doubt this is why it works.
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I would say Gedlee's speakers are only slightly more common than synergy horns in the home setting. I've only been to one fellow audiophile's home that had horns(old Altec), otherwise of all my friends, family, and acquaintance's homes I've been to had tradition 2 or 3 way speakers with a flush mounted dome and too small of woofers.
Yeah, by the late '60s, the only HIFI 'hornies' I knew either worked for the Altec distributor or made do with their fraternity HIFI_party_PA and/or 'garage' band system.
When I got on-line in '96, things weren't much better and even then still not much happening in the USA; and only very recently has their been any resurgence in compression loaded systems to speak of thanks mainly to multi-use gaming/HTs supplanting HIFI systems.
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I have used horns for nearly 50 years. For nearly 30-40 years of that they were all harsh and really had some audible problems. But the latest generation of devices are in a completely new ball game. I'd like to think that I was a big part of that revolution.
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