Hi dkemppai,
I can't speak for Austrailians but here in Canada where we have restrictions on handguns and some gun control the crime rate per capita and in absolute terms is substantially lower than in the USA.
IMO my right to safety from gun violence outweighs the "rights" of a few to wield pistols and automatic weapons.
Interestingly there are lots of guns in Canada but gun related violence is much lower than in countries with no restrictions on firearms.
So gun control works and there is no Big Brother taking anyones guns away here either.
Just my .02 for a different perspective.
Tony Dempsey
I can't speak for Austrailians but here in Canada where we have restrictions on handguns and some gun control the crime rate per capita and in absolute terms is substantially lower than in the USA.
IMO my right to safety from gun violence outweighs the "rights" of a few to wield pistols and automatic weapons.
Interestingly there are lots of guns in Canada but gun related violence is much lower than in countries with no restrictions on firearms.
So gun control works and there is no Big Brother taking anyones guns away here either.
Just my .02 for a different perspective.
Tony Dempsey
Guns and Gun Control...
I think everyone should watch Michael Moore's "Bowling for Columbine". http://www.bowlingforcolumbine.com/ Very Interesting. It talks alot about guns and gun control. He interviews some pretty whack-nut people including Moses himself, Charleton Heston. His movies are entertaining, thought-provoking and funny. The are especially good because of their lack of preachyness. I especially like this because I don't like listening to an overly propagandized point of view, even if I agree with the princepal.
When I was in the USA last year, I saw a billboard that said,
GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE.
NO ONE BLAMES PORNOGRAPHY ON THE CAMERA.
Interesting point of view. It just that I've never read in the newspaper about a little boy finding his dad's camera and accidentally blowing his younger sister's head off with it.
I think everyone should watch Michael Moore's "Bowling for Columbine". http://www.bowlingforcolumbine.com/ Very Interesting. It talks alot about guns and gun control. He interviews some pretty whack-nut people including Moses himself, Charleton Heston. His movies are entertaining, thought-provoking and funny. The are especially good because of their lack of preachyness. I especially like this because I don't like listening to an overly propagandized point of view, even if I agree with the princepal.
When I was in the USA last year, I saw a billboard that said,
GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE.
NO ONE BLAMES PORNOGRAPHY ON THE CAMERA.
Interesting point of view. It just that I've never read in the newspaper about a little boy finding his dad's camera and accidentally blowing his younger sister's head off with it.
I think what people argue here about (and also in the big media), why Europeans and Americans disagree so much right now is not generally about Europeans discouraging war efforts, or Americans strongly supporting wars around the world, but simply the way that a single nation tries to enforce their point of views on the rest of the world (and the average American has very little knowledge about the rest of the world, probably thinks USA are about four times as big as Europe...).
It may be that most of those views can be considered right, but who's to say? And at least all pro-war Americans I have listened to in the last weeks never use phrases like "I personally think that" or "maybe this or that should be done that way" and so on, but they always express a total self assurance that what they believe are right, that this alone entitles them to force their opinions on the rest of the world, and calling (and I quote from an interview I read this weekend) all Europeans with even the slightest doubts about wars etc. "dickless" and "gutless", reminding everybody that we were still to rise from amongst the ruins of WW2 if we were not saved by US, and so on.
I am European, even from nazi-Germany, and I discourage any war efforts, and dislike people not discussing their point of views, but simply stating that they are right and others are not, and I don't feel dickless, and I think that it takes more guts to stand up weaponless against a thread than using a gun to defend oneself (look at the lonely man in China standing in front of about 8 to 10 tanks, waving his briefcase for them to ga away, was he gutless?)
And this is why people dislike America or Americans, at least those who never have any doubts about their nation.
Now I am going to work again, and look forward for completing one channel of my DoZ tonight (well, maybe)...
Arndt
It may be that most of those views can be considered right, but who's to say? And at least all pro-war Americans I have listened to in the last weeks never use phrases like "I personally think that" or "maybe this or that should be done that way" and so on, but they always express a total self assurance that what they believe are right, that this alone entitles them to force their opinions on the rest of the world, and calling (and I quote from an interview I read this weekend) all Europeans with even the slightest doubts about wars etc. "dickless" and "gutless", reminding everybody that we were still to rise from amongst the ruins of WW2 if we were not saved by US, and so on.
I am European, even from nazi-Germany, and I discourage any war efforts, and dislike people not discussing their point of views, but simply stating that they are right and others are not, and I don't feel dickless, and I think that it takes more guts to stand up weaponless against a thread than using a gun to defend oneself (look at the lonely man in China standing in front of about 8 to 10 tanks, waving his briefcase for them to ga away, was he gutless?)
And this is why people dislike America or Americans, at least those who never have any doubts about their nation.
Now I am going to work again, and look forward for completing one channel of my DoZ tonight (well, maybe)...
Arndt
This is very patriotic of you, but deciding that you would kill to protect should only be a very last and ultimate decision. But in your case, it seems you state it as a basic principle, from which you think out the rest of your actions.
If I look at Israel & Palestina, I see exactly the same thing. Party A hurts B and therefore B will strike back on A, and so on..
As for the gun-issue:
Guns weren't developed to protect. A couple of dogs, a baseball bat, and a mobile police-force are, without the need for being able to kill.
As for the nation-issue:
Every single person in this planet was born, by chance, in a certain nation. A human life is a human life. A murdered life is a loss for all. I can not understand how people can care so much about their own Swedish, French, Dutch, American, Israeli, Australian, etc, fellowman and not (or even less) about an other.
Firstly this isn’t anti American or any one else for that matter. One of my best friends is American. So please no hate mail🙂
There are many reasons for this war none of which have anything to do with 9/11.
Most have to do with kick starting an economy, controlling the world’s second biggest oil reserve (I think next to Saudi) and generally destabilising a threat to American imperialism. America has long feared the possibility of a Russian and Chinese economic alliance and how their combined might may damage the American economy.
There are also links to 9/11 to Mossad (Israelis CIA equivalent) and I suspect CIA too. If you don’t think the USA government is capable of such a hideous thing, look at CIA records which are now public.
There is a book about how they schemed to kill American citizens in order to justify an attack Cuba and get American people to back it. They also let Pearl Harbour get bombed to try out their new toy. That was along time ago, perhaps they play nicely now, who knows. What I can be sure off, and I have studied this quite extensively, is that the facts surrounding 9/11 just don’t add up.
Bush is a strange one, he is growing on me, but I cant believe the worlds most powerful nation cant do better than that;-)
His family however has an unusual history. His granddaddy was imprisoned from memory or at least prosecuted a traitor for funding Hitler in WWII. His daddy works for a consultancy firm called the Carlyle Group who are arms traders (war time is a busy time for these guys) and also invest money in bad things (arms) for the wait for it……… The Bin Laden’s. What a strange world we live in. The Bushes are not what I would call model citizens.
Currently the US government is looking at paying Turkey some 300 million dollars compensation for using their soil to launch an attack, 80 percent disapprove. Turkey has also some issues with the possibility of a Kurdish state being formed as 8 or 12 million (cant remember) of turkeys population is also Kurdish it will be interesting to see if USA splits Iraq. In addition Saddam owes Russia 8 billion in oil exploration rights as payment outstanding for arms. Russia is also negotiating with USA for their bit. The USA is generally buying support and god knows where Blair is coming from, probably sale of arms?
Australia I think are looking at a trade deal and access to USA markets and on it goes.
This war will probably happen but USA will have to dig deep into their wallet to get anyone’s buy in.
I think war is a fact of life in a capitalistic society and war has and always will be about resources and wealth. Don’t think that a company that makes missiles at a million dollars a pop don’t do well out of war when they aren’t selling sewing machine engines. What does grate me is when people can’t see the truth, no matter how educated they spew hatred and demand revenge. It’s that hatred that may cost thousands their lives. Without public support there will be no war. Turn off CNN and find out what is really going on in the world, not what you are being spoon-fed. Perhaps then you may feel different about potentially killing thousands of innocent people to get one bad ***. And even if he has the big one, he’s never used it, so lets give him the benefit of the doubt.
There are many reasons for this war none of which have anything to do with 9/11.
Most have to do with kick starting an economy, controlling the world’s second biggest oil reserve (I think next to Saudi) and generally destabilising a threat to American imperialism. America has long feared the possibility of a Russian and Chinese economic alliance and how their combined might may damage the American economy.
There are also links to 9/11 to Mossad (Israelis CIA equivalent) and I suspect CIA too. If you don’t think the USA government is capable of such a hideous thing, look at CIA records which are now public.
There is a book about how they schemed to kill American citizens in order to justify an attack Cuba and get American people to back it. They also let Pearl Harbour get bombed to try out their new toy. That was along time ago, perhaps they play nicely now, who knows. What I can be sure off, and I have studied this quite extensively, is that the facts surrounding 9/11 just don’t add up.
Bush is a strange one, he is growing on me, but I cant believe the worlds most powerful nation cant do better than that;-)
His family however has an unusual history. His granddaddy was imprisoned from memory or at least prosecuted a traitor for funding Hitler in WWII. His daddy works for a consultancy firm called the Carlyle Group who are arms traders (war time is a busy time for these guys) and also invest money in bad things (arms) for the wait for it……… The Bin Laden’s. What a strange world we live in. The Bushes are not what I would call model citizens.
Currently the US government is looking at paying Turkey some 300 million dollars compensation for using their soil to launch an attack, 80 percent disapprove. Turkey has also some issues with the possibility of a Kurdish state being formed as 8 or 12 million (cant remember) of turkeys population is also Kurdish it will be interesting to see if USA splits Iraq. In addition Saddam owes Russia 8 billion in oil exploration rights as payment outstanding for arms. Russia is also negotiating with USA for their bit. The USA is generally buying support and god knows where Blair is coming from, probably sale of arms?
Australia I think are looking at a trade deal and access to USA markets and on it goes.
This war will probably happen but USA will have to dig deep into their wallet to get anyone’s buy in.
I think war is a fact of life in a capitalistic society and war has and always will be about resources and wealth. Don’t think that a company that makes missiles at a million dollars a pop don’t do well out of war when they aren’t selling sewing machine engines. What does grate me is when people can’t see the truth, no matter how educated they spew hatred and demand revenge. It’s that hatred that may cost thousands their lives. Without public support there will be no war. Turn off CNN and find out what is really going on in the world, not what you are being spoon-fed. Perhaps then you may feel different about potentially killing thousands of innocent people to get one bad ***. And even if he has the big one, he’s never used it, so lets give him the benefit of the doubt.
Re: What to do
I mean it when I suugest that the Muslim world, and hence the entire world would be benefitted by this interesting knowledge.
This knowledge and technique could also misused in the wrong hands.
More later,
Eric.
Jason, I am playing with an interesting technique lately that is retrofittable to any audio (or video) system, and without fail causes any such sound system to ouput a clean, happy and invigorating sound, and I am completely serious about this.Jason said:
I mean it when I suugest that the Muslim world, and hence the entire world would be benefitted by this interesting knowledge.
This knowledge and technique could also misused in the wrong hands.
More later,
Eric.
Terrorism runs both ways
From the Sydney Morning Herald Jan 26 2003
<b>The US intends to shatter Iraq "physically, emotionally and psychologically" by raining down on its people as many as 800 cruise missiles in two days.
The Pentagon battle plan aims not only to crush Iraqi troops, but also wipe out power and water supplies in the capital, Baghdad.
It is based on a strategy known as "Shock and Awe", conceived at the National Defense University in Washington, in which between 300 and 400 cruise missiles would fall on Iraq each day for two consecutive days. It would be more than twice the number of missiles launched during the entire 40 days of the 1991 GulfWar.
<snip>
According to the architect of "Shock and Awe", military strategist Harlan Ullman, the plan would rely on an extensive array of precision-guided weapons.
"We want them to quit, not to fight," Ullman said, "so that you have this simultaneous effect - rather like the nuclear weapons at Hiroshima - not taking days or weeks but minutes."
The main objective was not just to disable Iraq's fighting capacity but to leave the population dispirited and unwilling to support Saddam's regime.
"You're sitting in Baghdad and, all of a sudden, you're the general and 30 of your division headquarters have been wiped out," Mr Ullman said. "You also take the city down. By that I mean you get rid of their power and water. In two, three, four, five days they are physically, emotionally and psychologically exhausted."</b>
Interesting comments, no?
I think they're disgusting and cowardly, and will do naught to remove Saddam Hussein as the controller of the country. A decade of horrifically punitive sanctions have already killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi men, women and children, and now they want to terrorise and brutalise the rest. The US supported Hussein and gave him his strength when he was helpful to them politically, and now he's not, tens of thousands (at least) more will die to undo what the Yanks created. Just so long as they're not Americans, right?
So far America has shown NO evidence at all the SH or the Iraqi's were involved in any way with Sept 11. I bet if they presented compelling evidence to the UN, the military action would be sanctioned, and many people like me who support the idea of SH being removed, and some sort of democracy and rebuilding of Iraq to take place, would give support to the actions. Note, not a puppet US controlled regime. But that would probably br too threatening to them.
But they won't present the arguments because there aren't any. But it will give them control of the oil, just like in Afganistan, where now the wanted pipeline can be built.
From the Sydney Morning Herald Jan 26 2003
<b>The US intends to shatter Iraq "physically, emotionally and psychologically" by raining down on its people as many as 800 cruise missiles in two days.
The Pentagon battle plan aims not only to crush Iraqi troops, but also wipe out power and water supplies in the capital, Baghdad.
It is based on a strategy known as "Shock and Awe", conceived at the National Defense University in Washington, in which between 300 and 400 cruise missiles would fall on Iraq each day for two consecutive days. It would be more than twice the number of missiles launched during the entire 40 days of the 1991 GulfWar.
<snip>
According to the architect of "Shock and Awe", military strategist Harlan Ullman, the plan would rely on an extensive array of precision-guided weapons.
"We want them to quit, not to fight," Ullman said, "so that you have this simultaneous effect - rather like the nuclear weapons at Hiroshima - not taking days or weeks but minutes."
The main objective was not just to disable Iraq's fighting capacity but to leave the population dispirited and unwilling to support Saddam's regime.
"You're sitting in Baghdad and, all of a sudden, you're the general and 30 of your division headquarters have been wiped out," Mr Ullman said. "You also take the city down. By that I mean you get rid of their power and water. In two, three, four, five days they are physically, emotionally and psychologically exhausted."</b>
Interesting comments, no?
I think they're disgusting and cowardly, and will do naught to remove Saddam Hussein as the controller of the country. A decade of horrifically punitive sanctions have already killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi men, women and children, and now they want to terrorise and brutalise the rest. The US supported Hussein and gave him his strength when he was helpful to them politically, and now he's not, tens of thousands (at least) more will die to undo what the Yanks created. Just so long as they're not Americans, right?
So far America has shown NO evidence at all the SH or the Iraqi's were involved in any way with Sept 11. I bet if they presented compelling evidence to the UN, the military action would be sanctioned, and many people like me who support the idea of SH being removed, and some sort of democracy and rebuilding of Iraq to take place, would give support to the actions. Note, not a puppet US controlled regime. But that would probably br too threatening to them.
But they won't present the arguments because there aren't any. But it will give them control of the oil, just like in Afganistan, where now the wanted pipeline can be built.
I honestly don´t know.
I wish to know what to do.
If anybody knows please tell.
The only thing i could do is stay away from war. I´m thinking seriously about going to another country, far away from everything related to NATO, Oil, wars, nuclear weapons... If you know a suitable country please tell me.
till said:
Running away from the problems is not an option.
Talk to people, stay informed, read newspapers, sign up on the peace sites, read this threat, look at CNN, but not only CNN, speak out against war, and at the end of the day, build you DIY-stuff and be happy with it 😉 😉
Hugo
Well said, Brett and Luke,
I wish there were more people thinking like you and explaining their views in a mild and cultured manner.
About the aluminium PA speakers, Eric ( Mr. Feedback), what a Holy *******, you obviously haven't lived in a muslim country, otherwise you would spare us all this nonsense. I can feel the sentiments of some Australians towards the Muslims in recent times, but that is totally unjustified, no matter what Johnny Howard, Senior Bush (George, the firebug), and Tony, the weakest link, tell us.
Stan - thought that this World was wiser today
I wish there were more people thinking like you and explaining their views in a mild and cultured manner.
About the aluminium PA speakers, Eric ( Mr. Feedback), what a Holy *******, you obviously haven't lived in a muslim country, otherwise you would spare us all this nonsense. I can feel the sentiments of some Australians towards the Muslims in recent times, but that is totally unjustified, no matter what Johnny Howard, Senior Bush (George, the firebug), and Tony, the weakest link, tell us.
Stan - thought that this World was wiser today
Philo said:
Small point- that strike was more like 20 years ago.
I wish I had the confidence in my own knowledge of the situation that so many of the other posters do.
I did have a "funny" conversation in France last week. My dinner companion explained to me that the American people supported military action in Iraq because they were brainwashed by our media (funny how that "brainwashed" word keeps popping up). Now putting aside the fact that this guy had never been to the US and would have no idea of what we see and don't see, I pointed out that in the US, I can find newspapers and broadcasts in favor of military action and newspapers and broadcasts opposing it. But in France, I could find no media treatment whatever of the possible pros of military action, only opposition. He explained to me, "Well, that's because everybody is against it." Oh, OK. That clears things up.
"GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE.
NO ONE BLAMES PORNOGRAPHY ON THE CAMERA."
A classic failure to acknowledge human nature. The answer: if people kill people then simply eliminate the people. Oh! But gosh, I think it is the people we are supposed to be protecting. Ok, lets change the people. Oh - there seems to be an inalienable quality called human nature that is almost impossible to change. Hell, no wonder all these foreigners got rid of their handguns. Damn they're smart.
dekemppai asked why some people hate Americans. I reckon people tend to hate one another when they feel threatened. I think some people find America rather threatening, especially people who have a different value system.
America is a rather young society occupying a rather wonderful geography. It prides itself on being young with a fresh start and different attitudes to "the old world". And most of the time this has lead to great results, like innovation and discovery and industry and wealth and, of course, The Simpsons.
For all its greatness a few, rather severe social problems have arisen. A sign of a lack of maturity of the nation. I think there is a sense of fear in the US that is unusual and may be the biggest problem of all. It leads to strange laws and defensiveness and individualism and gets in the way of social cohesion.
There are many examples. Poverty. Crime. Environmental greed. Wealthocracy, healthocracy. For some reason I think these things are valued very highly outside the US, for example in Europe, but are treated like necessary evils by Americans (or the image of Americans that The State portrays). I'm not even convinced they are considered evils at all. Perhaps merely side-effects. This is a values clash. Values clashes cause people to dislike one another, especially if the opposing values are perceived to be a threat.
Of course, the playing upon perceived threats by those with opposing values is the whole basis for the Iraqi war sales pitch.
The gun law thing is a mess. It really is a terrible indictment of US civility and I'm sure it cannot last much longer. But it does worry me that something so bad has not been rectified much, much sooner. This sort of thing, and others, tends to pollute outsiders' views of the integrity of US social values and can make them wary about the motivations and methods that the US Government employs in its foreign policy.
IMO of course!
NO ONE BLAMES PORNOGRAPHY ON THE CAMERA."
A classic failure to acknowledge human nature. The answer: if people kill people then simply eliminate the people. Oh! But gosh, I think it is the people we are supposed to be protecting. Ok, lets change the people. Oh - there seems to be an inalienable quality called human nature that is almost impossible to change. Hell, no wonder all these foreigners got rid of their handguns. Damn they're smart.
dekemppai asked why some people hate Americans. I reckon people tend to hate one another when they feel threatened. I think some people find America rather threatening, especially people who have a different value system.
America is a rather young society occupying a rather wonderful geography. It prides itself on being young with a fresh start and different attitudes to "the old world". And most of the time this has lead to great results, like innovation and discovery and industry and wealth and, of course, The Simpsons.
For all its greatness a few, rather severe social problems have arisen. A sign of a lack of maturity of the nation. I think there is a sense of fear in the US that is unusual and may be the biggest problem of all. It leads to strange laws and defensiveness and individualism and gets in the way of social cohesion.
There are many examples. Poverty. Crime. Environmental greed. Wealthocracy, healthocracy. For some reason I think these things are valued very highly outside the US, for example in Europe, but are treated like necessary evils by Americans (or the image of Americans that The State portrays). I'm not even convinced they are considered evils at all. Perhaps merely side-effects. This is a values clash. Values clashes cause people to dislike one another, especially if the opposing values are perceived to be a threat.
Of course, the playing upon perceived threats by those with opposing values is the whole basis for the Iraqi war sales pitch.
The gun law thing is a mess. It really is a terrible indictment of US civility and I'm sure it cannot last much longer. But it does worry me that something so bad has not been rectified much, much sooner. This sort of thing, and others, tends to pollute outsiders' views of the integrity of US social values and can make them wary about the motivations and methods that the US Government employs in its foreign policy.
IMO of course!
The SIMPSONS
Lisa Simpson is far more intelligent than Marge Simpson, and Marge make more sense than Homer Simpson. But Homer speaks to the "everyman" and Bart is the "everyboy". It's a morality play motif dressed up for 21st century audiences.
Matt Groenig has done more to advance the cause of Western Civilization than Kenneth Clarke ever imagined.
Distaste for American policy -- it's all jealousy. Why is 25% to 40% of the audience at the Metropolitan Opera on any Saturday evening from Europe ?
The great thing about Europeans -- when they work, they really work. When they party, they really party! I don't know what they do the rest of the time, however.
Lisa Simpson is far more intelligent than Marge Simpson, and Marge make more sense than Homer Simpson. But Homer speaks to the "everyman" and Bart is the "everyboy". It's a morality play motif dressed up for 21st century audiences.
Matt Groenig has done more to advance the cause of Western Civilization than Kenneth Clarke ever imagined.
Distaste for American policy -- it's all jealousy. Why is 25% to 40% of the audience at the Metropolitan Opera on any Saturday evening from Europe ?
The great thing about Europeans -- when they work, they really work. When they party, they really party! I don't know what they do the rest of the time, however.
Re: The SIMPSONS
Too bad if you cannot find enough americans who want to
attend the performances. Anyway, I wonder how they got their
tickets? It has always been sold-out or off-season when I
have been in NYC. Unfortunately, most of the times I have
been to the US, I have had to go to places where such things
as opera houses and symphony orchestras seem not to exist.
jackinnj said:
Too bad if you cannot find enough americans who want to
attend the performances. Anyway, I wonder how they got their
tickets? It has always been sold-out or off-season when I
have been in NYC. Unfortunately, most of the times I have
been to the US, I have had to go to places where such things
as opera houses and symphony orchestras seem not to exist.
SY,
You quite right, I was trying to type "twenty five" but that would have been wrong too, as it was June 1981. Still the fact remains that the plant was not built for supporting the country's power system.
You quite right, I was trying to type "twenty five" but that would have been wrong too, as it was June 1981. Still the fact remains that the plant was not built for supporting the country's power system.
Re: Re: Re: How many funerals did you go to after 9/11?
I believe there is a fundamental difference between Europeans and Americans in this. I served half year in Bosnia in 96 and it was clear to me that most Europeans simple cannot or wil not believe that somneone may be out to kill them. We (The Netherlands) had soldiers marching out with teddy bears on their rucksacks...
The Americans (and for that matter the British and French) have a history of recent wars (Falklands, Northern Africa) and are much more living with the facs of life in this context. They accept much more that war is a fact of this world, try to avoid it if you can, win it if you must.
So, in my view, the European abhorrence to war is partly also a matter of not really believing someone really wants to kill you and your family.
And as for Mr Saddam, I think it is important to make a distinction between intentions and capabilities. It is the capabilities we must worry about, because intentions can change overnight.
Jan Didden
dkemppai said:
I believe there is a fundamental difference between Europeans and Americans in this. I served half year in Bosnia in 96 and it was clear to me that most Europeans simple cannot or wil not believe that somneone may be out to kill them. We (The Netherlands) had soldiers marching out with teddy bears on their rucksacks...
The Americans (and for that matter the British and French) have a history of recent wars (Falklands, Northern Africa) and are much more living with the facs of life in this context. They accept much more that war is a fact of this world, try to avoid it if you can, win it if you must.
So, in my view, the European abhorrence to war is partly also a matter of not really believing someone really wants to kill you and your family.
And as for Mr Saddam, I think it is important to make a distinction between intentions and capabilities. It is the capabilities we must worry about, because intentions can change overnight.
Jan Didden
What can be done?
Each person has to do their own work.
Now, the work can be done on different levels. The only one
most seem to know of is on the stage of the world where all
the events seem to take place. Another is internally where
other battles must take place. What if a person could turn their
attention back toward their own inner life?
Meanwhile, the events in the world will continue. Don't worry
about it too much, but now something is different and eventually
the events in the world will begin to be different too.
But if we cannot work internally, then people will not be different
and the world will not be different.
As to war or not to war, I don't see a good reason to have a strong
opinion one way or the other. The play continues, inexorably.
Although a man may be caught into a war on one side or another,
and may fight heroically, if he cannot also work internally then
what is he worth?
Try sitting quiet for say 20 minutes or more, don't think, just quiet.
Now something feels different, see if you can guess what it is.
Each person has to do their own work.
Now, the work can be done on different levels. The only one
most seem to know of is on the stage of the world where all
the events seem to take place. Another is internally where
other battles must take place. What if a person could turn their
attention back toward their own inner life?
Meanwhile, the events in the world will continue. Don't worry
about it too much, but now something is different and eventually
the events in the world will begin to be different too.
But if we cannot work internally, then people will not be different
and the world will not be different.
As to war or not to war, I don't see a good reason to have a strong
opinion one way or the other. The play continues, inexorably.
Although a man may be caught into a war on one side or another,
and may fight heroically, if he cannot also work internally then
what is he worth?
Try sitting quiet for say 20 minutes or more, don't think, just quiet.
Now something feels different, see if you can guess what it is.
Re: Re: Re: GUNS &amp;amp; ROSES.
Hi SkinnyBoy,
Well, I feel that it's a good idea to prevent any one who is not an engineer from building or working on audio amplifiers, after all, line voltage can kill you. 🙂 😉
You choose to build amplifiers, and I am willing to help you do so. But when you learn that I like guns, you want to take them away from me?
We need to be careful when taking away the rights of one group of people, afterall, they may try to take away try to take away one of yours 🙂
Peter,
No, I have never said it is my right to kill anyone. However, In my state, I DO have the RIGHT to protect my family and myself with deadly force. It is my right to protect myself, even if killing is required. (I hope and pray that I will never have to do so! And, will most likely never be in that situation)
Do you play baseball? Can you kill someone with a baseball bat? How about a steak knife, or hammer? Just about any tool is a weapon, and can kill. I could just as easily club a someone with a hammer or baseball bat. Unless I am being threatened, I cannot do so... ...same thing with a gun.
To all,
It bothers me... that an honest law biding citicen, who has undergone hours and hours of training to carry a weapon, who has registered his weapons with local police can scares you?
And an untrained owner of an illegal weapon does not scare you?
-Dan
P.S. I hear some groups are making bar glasses made of real glass in bars in England illegal, is this true? Supposedly, people are killing each other with those too? Is this true?
SkinnyBoy said:
Peter Daniel said:
Hi SkinnyBoy,
Well, I feel that it's a good idea to prevent any one who is not an engineer from building or working on audio amplifiers, after all, line voltage can kill you. 🙂 😉
You choose to build amplifiers, and I am willing to help you do so. But when you learn that I like guns, you want to take them away from me?
We need to be careful when taking away the rights of one group of people, afterall, they may try to take away try to take away one of yours 🙂
Peter,
No, I have never said it is my right to kill anyone. However, In my state, I DO have the RIGHT to protect my family and myself with deadly force. It is my right to protect myself, even if killing is required. (I hope and pray that I will never have to do so! And, will most likely never be in that situation)
Do you play baseball? Can you kill someone with a baseball bat? How about a steak knife, or hammer? Just about any tool is a weapon, and can kill. I could just as easily club a someone with a hammer or baseball bat. Unless I am being threatened, I cannot do so... ...same thing with a gun.
To all,
It bothers me... that an honest law biding citicen, who has undergone hours and hours of training to carry a weapon, who has registered his weapons with local police can scares you?
And an untrained owner of an illegal weapon does not scare you?
-Dan
P.S. I hear some groups are making bar glasses made of real glass in bars in England illegal, is this true? Supposedly, people are killing each other with those too? Is this true?
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