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gigatron said:
LoL, I love soccer (real football), I am born in europe 🙂 I know what football is like 😀 It's a wonderful sport 😀 AND can get violent @_@ yet here in north america it's labeled a sissy sport!!
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I personally hate football. Maybe it was fun 100 years ago, but these days it's all about violence. On the field, and even more of the field.
With every big game, they need hundreds of policemen just to keep it a little civilized, and even then many people get hurt.

Over here it's also the "only" sport. There are ofcourse other sports, and Belgium does better in many other sports than football, but still everyone has to like football.
That really irritates me. In the eyes of the majoraty you are either crazy or gay if you don't like football. Grrrrrrrrrrrr.

And everyone knows it's a sissy port 🙂
 
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Hey, Hi to everybody.

I didn´t really want to get back to this thread. There was no way to convince people that this war was stupid.

After seeing this funny photo of Bush and Blair in the news with big Pinochio noses I could only laugh. So I wanted to check if there were any posts here.

Were are all those "pro war fanatics" that used to hang out here calling people like me crazy and sick just because I was against war?

Seems that those people are now checking out if their president was lying or not. But it IS funny. When they ask someone who´s fault it was, it´s always the ohter guys fault.

It makes a good laugh for me, but the families of the soldiers and the poor Irakis who die everyday don´t really laugh much do they?
 
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I'm not shure who you are addressing. I've always been against the US actions.

A few months ago I and a few others here were treated as crazy extreem leftwing lunatics.
Well yes, maybe it is time to rub their noses in now!

Not that I'm glad that things have worked out the way I planned. It's sad that those people have to suffer.
 
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dhaen said:

Certainly not you Peter 🙂 Just my wild ramblings...

In fact it would have been better if WMD had been found. At least the actions would heve been justified.
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Yes, maybe, although it might have given the US the idea that they are on the right track...

I often wonder how much of the negative news about the US's actions over there reaches the US public.

Over here we never see anything positive about that war.

I constantly read reports about US soldiers doing very violent raids on innocent Iraqi families.
It looks to me that the US troops are very affraid now. Everyday soldiers get killed and many wounded. And a scared soldier is a dangerous thing. He does not act in a civilised way.

It's beginning to look a bit like vietnam. A lot of scared US soldiers that are wondering why the hell they are there. They also don't understand that the locals are not happy. They've got "democracy" now, why aren't they happy?

The fact is that they had a better and more stable life during the saddam era. Not that it was such a great country to live in, but at least it was under some control.

Already many Iraqys consider Saddam as their hero...
 
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Now this war more or less has come to an end, maybe it's time to talk about another war to end.

If you have the time, please view this link:
http://www.vpro.nl/info/tegenlicht/index.shtml?7738514+7738518+7738520+9068417+9332549

In the orange bar you can find two interesting documentaries on the "War on Drugs" from the program "Tegenlicht". This program investigates global and national news items and tries to have (hopefully you agree) an critical and objective view. The documentaries are almost completely english spoken. I would be delighted to hear comments from our American friends!

Personally, this documentary has shocked me... 🙁

Fedde
 
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Very interesting. To bad that much of the site is in dutch. no problem for me ofcourse, but I think most english speaking people here won't bother to watch it.

To bad they don't have a channel like vpro in the US. It has always been one of my favorites, even when I was a child I loved their programs.
Intelligent television for all ages. Very harde to find these days.
 
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To bad they don't have a channel like vpro in the US.
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You mean one in Dutch?

Honestly, I can't imagine anything that we don't have here. On our TV system in our little town, there are 5 PBS stations, Link, a dozen news station ranging from whacko left to loony right, four or five channels specializing in history, a similar number specializing in science, documentary channels, art film channels, food channels, comedy channels, channels in Spanish, channels in Mandarin and Cantonese, channels in Vietnamese... about 300 in all. I spend a lot of time in other countries, and I've never seen more diversity. or even as much. But, you're right in one sense, I haven't seen a Dutch language channel here.

How much time have you actually spent in the US and where/when? You seem to have some unusual ideas about what the US is like, as if one could somehow lump a country of this size and population into an idea of what it's "like."
 
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SY said:


You mean one in Dutch?

Honestly, I can't imagine anything that we don't have here. On our TV system in our little town, there are 5 PBS stations, Link, a dozen news station ranging from whacko left to loony right, four or five channels specializing in history, a similar number specializing in science, documentary channels, art film channels, food channels, comedy channels, channels in Spanish, channels in Mandarin and Cantonese, channels in Vietnamese... about 300 in all. I spend a lot of time in other countries, and I've never seen more diversity. or even as much. But, you're right in one sense, I haven't seen a Dutch language channel here.

How much time have you actually spent in the US and where/when? You seem to have some unusual ideas about what the US is like, as if one could somehow lump a country of this size and population into an idea of what it's "like."
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Sorry, but you really have no idea what i'm talking about. There is a huge difference between American and european TV.
It's difficult to explain to someone who can't compare. Even if you might have wathced some of our tv, you probably couldn't understand the language, so you couldn't say much about the quality of it.

Maybe you have some "wacky leftwing" local stations, but how many people watch those? and how many people take them serious?
The european stations I'm talking about are mainstream. Not some wacky stations, with extreem views.

I'm talking about the news on our national non commercial stations.
They show things that 99% of americans never get to see. If they did, they would certainly not support Bush.
You might think that I think all americans are stupid. Well I don't. But I do believe that they are getting wrong information.
Or not enough information.

I visited a number of states, mostly in the south of the US. It's possible that I couldn't watch all the leftwing stations, because motel 6 did not show them. So I can't say anything about those stations. But I do think it's fair to say, that those stations aren't very popular.
And in the end, what counts is what the majority of the people get to see.

Have you watched the clip on that vpro site about lynne cheney's black list of unamerican people?

http://www.vpro.nl/info/tegenlicht/index.shtml?7738514+7738518+7738520+9068417+9267303

That says a lot about the "right" to have different views in the US.

Shure,you have the right, but most people are affraid to express what they really think, just because they will be accused of being un-american.
 
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Well, true, my Spanish, Italian, and Flemish aren't great, but I have enough French and German to understand most of what I see on European TV.

I wouldn't base my ideas on a few minutes surfing channels at a Motel 6 in Tennessee. The diversity available to us is enormous.
 
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SY said:
I wouldn't base my ideas on a few minutes surfing channels at a Motel 6 in Tennessee. The diversity available to us is enormous.
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I believe that. But how much of the television you receive is really critical? For example on the government or policies? On the war in Iraq or the war on drugs? And how many people are watching these critical programs. In other words, how well are the american people informed about what is going on now?

For example, does everybody know what the Carlyle group is ? What that group does and who is politically involved !?

Don't get me wrong. I am not trying to bash America. I am just critical. IMHO being critical on everything is very important, even if you don't like the outcome! My opinion is that there are a lot of processes and systems going on in america that are not perse rational, but more based on the interests of a small part of the population. And I am afraid that the people of the USA don't know about these things or are not able to change them by a democratic process...

Fedde
 
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I believe that. But how much of the television you receive is really critical? For example on the government or policies? On the war in Iraq or the war on drugs? And how many people are watching these critical programs. In other words, how well are the american people informed about what is going on now?
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There's an ENORMOUS amount of TV here that's critical of government policy. Maybe even the majority.

Is the average American well-informed about world affairs? No, I don't think so. But I don't think the average German or Italian is, either. We all tend to focus more on our own lives and neighborhoods than looking at the rest of the world. My Dutch friends, for example, knew all about Pim Fortuyn (if I spelled it right), but none of them ever heard of Gray Davis, despite the infinitely greater power of the latter.

My opinion is that there are a lot of processes and systems going on in america that are not perse rational, but more based on the interests of a small part of the population.
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True. And true of every country ruled by human beings.
 
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