Spreadsheet for Folded Horn Layouts...

Is extremely hard to type and explain so it never works out in this format however what I’m saying works spectacular in reality.

We want to know what’s going on on both sides of the driver if you were going to build any enclosure👍🏻👍🏻. It Becomes extremely important tapped or clocked and tapped entry (whhatever you wanna call it headers is the distance between the two driver inputs no matter what that can’t be compromised ) versions of quarter wave alignment and is very nicely pointed out thanks to David’s new PH section if you Give it the right information(build the right thing). Everything is based on a circleEvery single thing is oscillating or vibrating etc. and is a mathematical version of a sine wave when looked at. base your cabinet on one too. Look at what happens. discover it don’t think about it.. You won’t find it otherwise. clear your head…

Using advanced center line method only looks at one thing and Misses an opportunity to realize what’s really going on in the big picture. I have a telescope with mirrors and lenses except there are no lenses there is super position of a wave bouncing off a perfectly rigid and parallel endpoint of a rectangle (long and kinda skinny), that is a quarter wave path. But there are 3(series tuned 2:1 driver offset or path break,roar) or 4 ( parallel to series dual parralel qw pipes with same exit) .

This is Where you fold and why. But even more important where the driver entry is in the first fold from the ‘absolute end’ and the rest of the path to exit and in between the folding.

fibonacci. 0.1.1.2.3. (0) From the driver to the closed-end (1) back to the driver(1) two more lengths to the 180 degree fold(2) and then the same thing length overall ,again, in the next fold (3).
Coming from the other side you have the exact opposite and those would converge at Centerpoint in the enclosure.

if enClosure is 360 cm long, fold is at 3,6,9. Both ends are at 0,12. Driver Entry at 1,11.

360÷12 is 30. 30 is 0.5236 in radians. Thats 2x the golden ratio of 0.2618(15). There are 24 parts in 360 is 15. 15 is 150,000 000 m from the sun. (149.6) it’s no coincidence that this happens(pic), that’s only one of an incredible amount of details that spell out all of these things and what they mean.

we take everything for granted as humans. But design one speaker enclosure based on the circumference of a circle is 360 and ask yourself why you’re looking at a picture perfect version of the solar system in meters (and miles) (as hartz) and unit of time(seconds) on earth as well?

1.609344 km/mile
1.609.142867(11264/7) 512pi

25.142857(176/7(1440)
0.3937 inch/meter
0.392857142(2.75/7)or 22.5 (*pi/8)

Pataflex and roar have been ‘tweeked’ in ways that greatly improve upon the originals. This Is all a credit to David McBean and how he has allowed us to look at both sides of the driver (on both sides of the cone) in each path. Up stream and down stream.



Neither ‘ROAR’ nor ‘Paraflex ‘ use this method. It is however what the DIY community is doing elsewhere… It’s up to you to decide

But the results using 90/180/270(360) cm with pi 22/7(180
)or

80/160/240(320) cm (with ‘pi’ as 80/2.54) are outstanding in the same way pi/9 is to ‘offset driver’ entry TL.

In the same way the speed of light is used as a number three or as a square root of 1728 or 299792457759 or (432)^2,

so is the functions of the numbers inside quarter wave pipes.

0.349 is 20 degrees in 22/7(0.349206349)

0.349 is also (432)^4, and (432)^2 is within 400 of the speed of light in miles per second

That will carry on in everything, (1.609344 miles/mter) 4- 3.936” /meter… 3.840000 km from earth, 3.8 cm/year

345.6 m/sec (864 hz at 1 meter) vs 344.0 m/sec(860 at one meter)

1:4 nuclear fusiin at center of sub. 1/4 wave functioon in a sibe wave at node/antinode..

Its all the same. But you gotta make it show you these things and horn response does.(860 is 864, 430 is 432)

.433 inches is 11 mm
0.866 inches is 22 mm
1.732 inches is 44 mm

11/7
22/7
44/7

11/2.54
22/2.54
44/2.54

88/2.54
176/2.54
352/2.54

Whether you look at those or not or whether you understand them without digging deeper into those numbers that is what this is all about and it all comes full circle no pun intended to the centimeters which is the definition which iWhether you look at those or not or whether you understand them without digging deeper into those numbers that is what this is all about and it all comes full circle no pun intended to the centimeters which One drop of freshwater anywhere on earth at any time. A Circle.

and a kilogram is 1000 of those by weight or mass on earth. But the gravitational constant is merely pi squared roughly at the equator..

And the speed of sound is just than 360 times pi. 1130.97335529232 (Ft/sec) as 354.6 m/s. 1 meter is 86.4 hz . 86400 seconds in 24 hrs, 24 hz is 360 cm… 36 hz is 240 cm…

these Things matter, more than anything. Your subwoofer isn’t doing this it’s not right either..That can be seen in horn response.

You have a timing sequence and a suck and blow potential that’s in sync with a pendulum swing for that frequency.. it’s the same numbers in the speed of light in radians is 30° in 360 is 12parts(zodiak is wrong, More than 12 by a little bit it’s the progression of time it’s the 365.25 days in a year it’s all these things all over creating a small aiMore than 12 by a little bit it’s the progression of time it’s the 365.25 days in a year it’s all these things all over creating a small error error..

365.25/360,( 0.985628)?
0.250/2.54 is 0.9842519…
873/864 is 09869072
2.99792458/3 is 0.99930819.33
Gravity : 9.8696? (Pi)^2… only at the equator… 32 ft/sec 21-3.1416? Or 31496? Or 31428

yes?’ All of them: they are saying the same thing:

0.98xxxx(5.625)(just less than ‘1’..
0.1309(0.13095238)7.5(1/4 Speed of light wave form (748-750)
0.1963495(11.25)
034906585(0349206349)(20)
0392699(392857)22.5(3/4 sol)
0.5236 (0.5238) (30)(sol)
10472(1.047619476)(60)(2sol)
156(1.57142>m)90*(3 sol)
2094395(2095238)120*
261799(26190476–(golden ratio) at 150 *
31416(3142857)(180*
3.6651914(3.666666)210*
41887(4.190476)240*
I have no idea how many ohms to eat to understand this lol im just joking with ya but this is way over my head
 
Hi, please post the Design input screen, thanks. It should like the screen capture below...

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I have no idea how many ohms to eat to understand this lol im just joking with ya but this is way over my head
Where does the golden ratio pull from? I do understand this but I guess I’m missing about half of it, do ur folds have to be at 3,6,&9? What happens if they weren’t or is that just a standard I guess for the given types? I’m also really I guess missing the most important part which I guess is how this is relating to what frequency response I’m going to get or how to connect the 2 together? Is there a formula for this or?
 
Where does the golden ratio pull from? I do understand this but I guess I’m missing about half of it, do ur folds have to be at 3,6,&9? What happens if they weren’t or is that just a standard I guess for the given types? I’m also really I guess missing the most important part which I guess is how this is relating to what frequency response I’m going to get or how to connect the 2 together? Is there a formula for this or?
The key to everything is in the offset driver TL to start.

300x .349206349 is 104.72857142…

104.72857142 x3 is ‘pi’

but, this is more important

Pythagorareum theorem:

1728 (C)
864 (B)

solve for A in A^2 plus B^2 is C^2.

A is the exact location of earth right this very moment. or even more accurately twice a year precisely like a stopped clock is correct twice a day.

But Saturn is exactly 9.55 to earth and its location.

1/0.955 1.0471204188

1496.49189 x 0.955 is 1429.149669

. The square root of the speed of light is 1731.45158107005

the square root of 1/4 SOL is 0.865725790535.

13.5(big bang)
27(729)(fine structure link)
54(2916)
108(11646)
216(46656)
432(186624)—miles per sec
864(746496)-1/4 km per sec
1728((2985984)- km per sec.
3456-(Speed of sound when 864 hz is 1.0 meter).
6912
13824(big bang again)

Now look up the size of the moon and the sun in radius and diameter of miles and kilometers precisely.

004/008
00376/00752…

pretty darn close if you ask me.

Same as 250/254

004.

conversion of an inch to a meter, 100 cm is 39.37”.

Put byput 1÷2.54 in a calculator and realize how many decimal points are not being shownAnd dig those Up and write them down all of them.Because they are saying something that nobody looks at



.125

.250
.50/
10/
20
40

80
160

—-
320
640



1280
2560…


Long story short.. 11264/7 and 2.75/7 are Equivalent in radians of the conversion of inch to centimeters and the mile to meter

0.125 and 512 pi

4096x
between them

you recognize somethings going on with numbers that you didn’t ever before because you never receive or used all those decimal points in order to see beyond what you were missing.

so this whole story goes much further and into different varieties of quarter wave layout but the premise is already set in place at the simple driver entry location into any TL whatsoever that has been known for about 100 years or so ? As 0.349206349(22/7)/9) or 0.3490658503988(pi/9)
Or 0.34995625546806649)(80/2.54/7)

All are very very important because the speed of light the second and the meter are all in the same definition. But that has been flipped around and screwed (as recently as 2019) as has the centimeter (in 1954) Enough to confuse anyone who’s actually working with acoustics or astrophysics or any of these things that use the volume of a sphere or spherical surface area and expanding inverse square law, etc

Assume: a lie or awkwardness in the education system we are all brought up in and how it leaves out details that more and more matter and you scratch your head later on in life wondering WTF???’ That’s because you didn’t know, you didn’t look(hopefully until now)…

349….. is the speed of light (c) ^4 in miles per sec. But there is no speed of light because there is no such thing as a perfect vacuum.
 
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The key to everything is in the offset driver TL to start.

300x .349206349 is 104.72857142…

104.72857142 x3 is ‘pi’

but, this is more important

Pythagorareum theorem:

1728 (C)
864 (B)

solve for A in A^2 plus B^2 is C^2.

A is the exact location of earth right this very moment. or even more accurately twice a year precisely like a stopped clock is correct twice a day.

But Saturn is exactly 9.55 to earth and its location.

1/0.955 1.0471204188

1496.49189 x 0.955 is 1429.149669

. The square root of the speed of light is 1731.45158107005

the square root of 1/4 SOL is 0.865725790535.

13.5(big bang)
27(729)(fine structure link)
54(2916)
108(11646)
216(46656)
432(186624)—miles per sec
864(746496)-1/4 km per sec
1728((2985984)- km per sec.
3456-(Speed of sound when 864 hz is 1.0 meter).
6912
13824(big bang again)

Now look up the size of the moon and the sun in radius and diameter of miles and kilometers precisely.

004/008
00376/00752…

pretty darn close if you ask me.

Same as 250/254

004.

conversion of an inch to a meter, 100 cm is 39.37”.

Put byput 1÷2.54 in a calculator and realize how many decimal points are not being shownAnd dig those Up and write them down all of them.Because they are saying something that nobody looks at



.125

.250
.50/
10/
20
40

80
160

—-
320
640



1280
2560…


Long story short.. 11264/7 and 2.75/7 are Equivalent in radians of the conversion of inch to centimeters and the mile to meter

0.125 and 512 pi

4096x
between them

you recognize somethings going on with numbers that you didn’t ever before because you never receive or used all those decimal points in order to see beyond what you were missing.

so this whole story goes much further and into different varieties of quarter wave layout but the premise is already set in place at the simple driver entry location into any TL whatsoever that has been known for about 100 years or so ? As 0.349206349(22/7)/9) or 0.3490658503988(pi/9)
Or 0.34995625546806649)(80/2.54/7)

All are very very important because the speed of light the second and the meter are all in the same definition. But that has been flipped around and screwed (as recently as 2019) as has the centimeter (in 1954) Enough to confuse anyone who’s actually working with acoustics or astrophysics or any of these things that use the volume of a sphere or spherical surface area and expanding inverse square law, etc

Assume: a lie or awkwardness in the education system we are all brought up in and how it leaves out details that more and more matter and you scratch your head later on in life wondering WTF???’ That’s because you didn’t know, you didn’t look(hopefully until now)…

349….. is the speed of light (c) ^4 in miles per sec. But there is no speed of light because there is no such thing as a perfect vacuum.
The key to everything is in the offset driver TL to start.

300x .349206349 is 104.72857142…

104.72857142 x3 is ‘pi’

but, this is more important

Pythagorareum theorem:

1728 (C)
864 (B)

solve for A in A^2 plus B^2 is C^2.

A is the exact location of earth right this very moment. or even more accurately twice a year precisely like a stopped clock is correct twice a day.

But Saturn is exactly 9.55 to earth and its location.

1/0.955 1.0471204188

1496.49189 x 0.955 is 1429.149669

. The square root of the speed of light is 1731.45158107005

the square root of 1/4 SOL is 0.865725790535.

13.5(big bang)
27(729)(fine structure link)
54(2916)
108(11646)
216(46656)
432(186624)—miles per sec
864(746496)-1/4 km per sec
1728((2985984)- km per sec.
3456-(Speed of sound when 864 hz is 1.0 meter).
6912
13824(big bang again)

Now look up the size of the moon and the sun in radius and diameter of miles and kilometers precisely.

004/008
00376/00752…

pretty darn close if you ask me.

Same as 250/254

004.

conversion of an inch to a meter, 100 cm is 39.37”.

Put byput 1÷2.54 in a calculator and realize how many decimal points are not being shownAnd dig those Up and write them down all of them.Because they are saying something that nobody looks at



.125

.250
.50/
10/
20
40

80
160

—-
320
640



1280
2560…


Long story short.. 11264/7 and 2.75/7 are Equivalent in radians of the conversion of inch to centimeters and the mile to meter

0.125 and 512 pi

4096x
between them

you recognize somethings going on with numbers that you didn’t ever before because you never receive or used all those decimal points in order to see beyond what you were missing.

so this whole story goes much further and into different varieties of quarter wave layout but the premise is already set in place at the simple driver entry location into any TL whatsoever that has been known for about 100 years or so ? As 0.349206349(22/7)/9) or 0.3490658503988(pi/9)
Or 0.34995625546806649)(80/2.54/7)

All are very very important because the speed of light the second and the meter are all in the same definition. But that has been flipped around and screwed (as recently as 2019) as has the centimeter (in 1954) Enough to confuse anyone who’s actually working with acoustics or astrophysics or any of these things that use the volume of a sphere or spherical surface area and expanding inverse square law, etc

Assume: a lie or awkwardness in the education system we are all brought up in and how it leaves out details that more and more matter and you scratch your head later on in life wondering WTF???’ That’s because you didn’t know, you didn’t look(hopefully until now)…

349….. is the speed of light (c) ^4 in miles per sec. But there is no speed of light because there is no such thing as a perfect vacuum.
fasho
 
Look. The golden ratio is hiding in everything. you just gotta find it. you’re not gonna see anything unless you actually look? it goes much deeperThen a simple 0.618 sitting out in the middle of nowhere and is much more complicated than somebody could type without you actually participate in what they’re speaking about. This means looking at 1÷2.54 in your own calculator…And then moving forward from that point, Step by step

Speed of light is based on a meter, and the second and just less than the number three.

The golden ratio is just shy of 1.618 In the kilometer /mile conversion already. There’s a reason for that
 
I used your input values for the box dimensions and I got this:
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Basically identical at lower frequencies. Note that the version of the workbook I used is 0.8 though. I suggest trying again with the latest version of the workbook from the website, to see if you run into the same issue again.
 

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I used your input values for the box dimensions and I got this:
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Basically identical at lower frequencies. Note that the version of the workbook I used is 0.8 though. I suggest trying again with the latest version of the workbook from the website, to see if you run into the same issue again.
I got the same exact results as before, I even went and deleted all my saved files and the original para download, I deleted all my files form hornresp import folder just to make sure something wasn’t getting crossed. I’m so confused lol how did u get different results than what I did? …..I just need to learn the hornresp program better where I don’t need a boxplan, I just need to be able to wrap my mind around what I can manually input in hornresp, and honestly I’m almost there it’s just hard because I don’t fully understand what is considered s5,s6 etc. if I just knew what measurements went where I could do it on my own but I don’t and there’s no where to learn it. I just keep hitting these dead ends and it’s frustrating but I guess that’s why it’s diy lol I appreciate ur help I’m just at a stand still I need to be able to pay someone for a class! Lol
 
I think the issue that you ran into is fixed in the latest version of the BOXPLAN-PARAA workbook, version 0.8


Here's what that part of the spreadsheet looks like in the new version
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Check the difference in predicted volumes for the horn. The version of the workbook that you used shows the horn volume for the TH model as over 300 L, and significantly higher than the horn volume predicted by the PH1 model. With the newer version, the Horn Volumes of both models differs only by 3.1 liters.
 
Hi Brian,

From a Hornresp perspective it is reassuring to see that your boxplan-paraa.xls system can be modelled as either a paraflex horn or a tapped horn, without there being a great difference in the results.

To avoid ongoing confusion however, it could perhaps be worth considering removing the TH export option from the spreadsheet 🙂.

Just a thought...

Kind regards,

David
from this picture if i did the arrangement how i wanted with the vent coming out of the side of the box, (how do i explain this? basically what you have labeled as s8 and s9) if i used the side on the enclosure directly across from them, how would i label the box at that point?
Hi Brian,

From a Hornresp perspective it is reassuring to see that your boxplan-paraa.xls system can be modelled as either a paraflex horn or a tapped horn, without there being a great difference in the results.

To avoid ongoing confusion however, it could perhaps be worth considering removing the TH export option from the spreadsheet 🙂.

Just a thought...

Kind regards,

David
 

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Another question and this is just me trying to figure things out, not saying this would work just another day of many hours banging my head on the wall lol jp not really just doing what i love but anyway
using these numbers
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i tried to draw out in a very rough form lol what i could make this look like
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ignore the s labeling that was from something different. However, in theory would this layout be correct with using the given number from the hr pic? the parts filled completely in with blue are just nothing they would be just unused space inside the enclosure.
 
David introduced the ability to define the path along along a horn in a series of abrupt steps rather than an expansion from step to step. "S2" and "S2S" is how the abrupt increase in CSA is defined in the Hornresp model. For example, consider one section with a CSA of 100cm^2 (S1-S2) and another that's 200 cm^2 that are joined together at S2. In that example, S2 would be 100 cm^2 and S2S would be 200 cm^2.
 
David introduced the ability to define the path along along a horn in a series of abrupt steps rather than an expansion from step to step. "S2" and "S2S" is how the abrupt increase in CSA is defined in the Hornresp model. For example, consider one section with a CSA of 100cm^2 (S1-S2) and another that's 200 cm^2 that are joined together at S2. In that example, S2 would be 100 cm^2 and S2S would be 200 cm^2.
So s2s is basically telling me how large it needs to be after the joining of s1and s2, before you would move on to where s2 and s3 would meet?
 
S2 is at the driver's axis. S2S works out to be the same as S2. It's only from S3 onwards would you see sudden changes defined by S3-S3S etc, depending on which configuration you select for the mouth. The challenge with this particular workbook was to come up with one "model" that could be used to describe all three mouth options.
 
S2 is at the driver's axis. S2S works out to be the same as S2. It's only from S3 onwards would you see sudden changes defined by S3-S3S etc, depending on which configuration you select for the mouth. The challenge with this particular workbook was to come up with one "model" that could be used to describe all three mouth options.
Ya I got that s2s was the same given the specific numbers That I was working with, i just labeled it like that trying to show that would be were s2s would have been found if I didn’t have the same numbers for both. Well if that picture is labeled correctly then I am stoked! I feel like that was a huge step foward in understanding taking numbers from HR and turning it into an enclosure design. I appreciate all your help, and I’m sure I’ll have more questions soon enough.